Dq'd or not?

[Monty_Brown]

Everyone saying DQ him... you're saying that even though it is a society, not a club comp. Just want to clarify so I understand clearly.

Are social society games governed in the same way as qualifying club comps? I would have thought a society comp is just a glorified social game.. no?

 

[chrisd]

Society game, I'd give him the prize. I don' t see any reason to teach him a lesson the hard way. Club comp, DQ I'm afraid!



Chris

 

[bladeplayer]

interesting question and I don't know the official answer I'm ashamed to say.

However, it's a society day out and your all friends and its supposed to be fun and no-one is trying to cheat so common sense will prevail and I wouldnt DQ him, but I'd have a bit of fun at the prizegiving in good taste.

same as Darth , societys are often made up of non club golfers & to me society golf is fun golf , its an oversight not cheating so , get him to sign it . give him the prize

 

[Ethan]

But it IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT to retaking a duffed drive!

Golf is about hitting a little ball into a hole. It is not a test of whether you sign a piece of paper.

He or she didn't pro-actively cheat by not signing their card. Retaking a duffed shot would be pro-actively cheating.

Give the guy a break and just let it stand. It's a society day and not the Ryder Cup.

Or - alternatively - pull the rule book out and discourage him or her from playing golf again.

Barry

The use of CAPITALS or the word 'pro-actively' even when used correctly do not a rational and valid argument make.

Sadly, the game of golf does involve writing stuff down on a piece of paper. Mark Roe would probably agree.

The issue is actually very simple - whether the Rules offer discretion to waive certain penalties. In that regard, waiving a penalty for failing to sign a card properly in accordance with the Rules is no different from waiving a penalty for any other reason. On a society day, I couldn't care less, but in a medal, I do care and so should other players.

Intent is not necessarily anything to do with it. Ian Woosnam didn't intend to take an extra driver in his bag at The Open, but he was penalised for it anyway.

Now that may be harsh, disproportionate and drive you away from playing golf. If so, you should lobby the R&A, but so long as they set the Rules, that is how it is, and you can't waive them.

 

[CallawayKid]

He should be tarred and feathered (In accordance with the local dress code) and made to parade around the clubhouse telling everyone that he's a naughty boy...

Jeez, it's a society day, I think some banter should be the call of the day. Maybe present him with a club pen so that he won't forget next time!

CK

 

[full_throttle]

i'm with chrisd on this one

I play in a society and quite often fill in one card for the whole fourball, which doesn't get signed after, just handed to the organiser, does that mean all four of us are disqualified?

 

[Tiger]

He should be tarred and feathered (In accordance with the local dress code) and made to parade around the clubhouse telling everyone that he's a naughty boy...

Jeez, it's a society day, I think some banter should be the call of the day. Maybe present him with a club pen so that he won't forget next time!

CK

Club pen I like it!

 

[Hobbit]

Its just social golf. Give him the prize, and providing he can take it take the p!$$. We're amatuers and play for fun...

 

[USER1999]

In our club comps, the 2's don't pay out unless the card is completed. Even if an n/r is after the two, you don't get paid out.

Friendly society, what would I do?

Wait til he has gone home, and give it to some Scottish/Irish geezer who is still there. That works.

 

[richy]

Give the prize. After all it's only mates getting together for a knock and if anybody thinks its anymore than that, well they need to get a grip.

 

[anotherdouble]

I dont know why but there is something nagging away at me that says he does not have to sign his card and therefore he can not be DQ'd even for the main society comp for not signing.

 

[harvey4banger]

Surely the nearest the pin comp has nothing to do with the stapleford comp, so he should get his prize. My club run a 2's comp in all club comps and you can claim your 2's money even if you NR, which I would presume is the same as not signing your card

 

[Mike_j_golf]

He get the prize for the longest drive nearest the pin or 2's as they are not what he was signing his card for he is DQed from the main comp.
Mike

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Played in loads of societies where a lot of guys don't play very often and weren't happy about doing stableford scores so it got marked on one card. Would we all get D/Q'd? Its about having fun and playing with mates and making new ones.

Club comps are a whole different kettle of fish. Got to do the housekeeping. We use PSI and you have to log into it before you go out or you can't enter the scorecard after. Even after a year we still get guys forgetting to log in and getting a D/Q. Its easy. I walk into the locker room, swipe my card, log in and then go and warm up etc. Get the card from the pro, put my handicap on, tick the tee box we are using, make sure the date tine and comp name and my own are on there and make sure I swap. Nothing too taxing in that. Afterwards, tally the scores, agree, sign the card you marked and sign your own. Enter in PSI, check it matches and put the card in the box.

If you don't comply with the requisites of the comp you deserved to be DQ'd. It isn't hard.

 

[rosecott]

It is not a test of whether you sign a piece of paper

Quite apart from society golf where it's entirely up to the society as to how they deal with any issues as they can make their own rules, there is a misconception surrounding DQ in qualifying competitions. It's not a test of whether you can or cannot sign a piece of paper (or remember to do it), the physical act of signing means that you acknowledge that the score recorded for each hole is what actually happened and you agree with it.

 

[Crow]

As above, surely it's down to the society.

Some might play on a fairly informal basis and not give a monkey's about signing cards, others might play strictly to the rules of the R&A.
The main thing is that everybody sholuld be made aware of the society's requirements before competing.

 

[BretbyBlue]

I had a similar experience 10 years ago. I played in an Invitation Day and got the Nearest the Pin, however we were disqualified for a breach of rules (signed for a wrong score - we had had a dispute with our players). I was told I was therfore out of the Nearest the Pin. However, as we were debating this, it became obvious that this is difficult (and the same in a Longest Drive situation). As in most cases you write your name down with the distance measured (or it may be a marker on the green). Any groups following that put a ball near the pin, may well look at your distance (or marker) and therfore not record their attempt, as it is not nearer than yours. Hnece if you are to be disqualified, the only people recorded are those that played before you and not after you. We expalined this and they Committee agreed that it would be sensible. For a 2's comp, that would be different, however in a Society my personal view would be to let it stand and let the player know his mistake. Maybe in an official golf club competition this would be Disqualified. Sorry for the ramble.

 

[sev112]

Cant believe i'd ever diagree with Ethan, but here you go

The typical Pro on tour doesnt sign his card, but he gets a Marshall-type admin bloke who sits there while he goes through it and makes sure he signs it

So, if we all play by eth same "rules" that we all "should know", then i will now expect a member of the committee sitting by the 18th checking that we have all signed our cards before we hand it in. if we dont them apply some bloomin common sense. What on earth for gods sake, does it matter if the card is signed 15 mins after you finsih as opposed to 15 seconds ????

God knows hwy this ever gets discussed - the only important thing is that the scores on eth card are right - how you get there doesnt matter a single bloomin jot - cant believe that half of you think a fundamental part of golf is scibbling a bloomin signature on the card. Sort out the cheaters, and adminster the genuine mistakes with some common bloomin sense.

 

[fat-tiger]

would give him the prize if its only a fun day out

 

[Ethan]

Cant believe i'd ever diagree with Ethan, but here you go

The typical Pro on tour doesnt sign his card, but he gets a Marshall-type admin bloke who sits there while he goes through it and makes sure he signs it

So, if we all play by eth same "rules" that we all "should know", then i will now expect a member of the committee sitting by the 18th checking that we have all signed our cards before we hand it in. if we dont them apply some bloomin common sense. What on earth for gods sake, does it matter if the card is signed 15 mins after you finsih as opposed to 15 seconds ????

God knows hwy this ever gets discussed - the only important thing is that the scores on eth card are right - how you get there doesnt matter a single bloomin jot - cant believe that half of you think a fundamental part of golf is scibbling a bloomin signature on the card. Sort out the cheaters, and adminster the genuine mistakes with some common bloomin sense.

Sev

But the Rules don't make a distinction between accidental mistakes and deliberate ones. If you walk off the 18th green and find 2 of your 5 year old daughter's cut down clubs in your bag alongside your 14 clubs, then you are penalised. It doesn't matter that you didn't know they were there or had no intention to use them. And any Committee man who tells you not to worry about it is a cheat and unfit to be on the Committee.