Different mindset for different types of golf?

[duncan mackie]

on a more positive note, it is perfectly acceptable under the rules for the players to agree that the player that scores worse in the strokeplay competition will concede the matchplay round.

 

[Foxholer]

This used to go on at our place when people struggled to complete their match play round before the deadline so some combined it with a monthly comp.

A definite no-no!

This was deemed Ok at an old Club of mine - except the 'match' had the be 'best Strokeplay' when played as part of a Medal. The CofCs wre changed to remove 'Matchplay' as a requirement - merely as an option, along with 'best Strokeplay' or 'Toss of a Coin' as a method of obtaining a result.

 

[Airlie_Andy]

Ahh but you are not obligated to make him replay. What if he hooks that first tee shot into the deep clag? You won't want him getting a mulligan, but he cannot play that ball under strokeplay rules.

We both agreed beforehand to play to the strokeplay rules so he would have taken the tee shot again, a sort of gentleman's agreement and as long as the strokeplay rules were adhered to in order to protect the rest of the field I don't see the problem? Obviously I now realise its against the rules so that is the "problem" but if you both agree to abide by the competition rules then the only players being affected by the matchplay differences are yourselves and it has no bearing on anyone else. Or is that too simplistic?

 

[Airlie_Andy]

on a more positive note, it is perfectly acceptable under the rules for the players to agree that the player that scores worse in the strokeplay competition will concede the matchplay round.

So in theory you could play both and record the matchplay element yourselves and just agree to technically concede the match as if the matchplay never took place?

 

[Airlie_Andy]

Also is there a scenario whereby playing in a strokeplay event and matchplay at the same time would in anyway disadvantage the rest of the field in the strokeplay event? I feel like a cheat now somehow.

 

[Foxholer]

So in theory you could play both and record the matchplay element yourselves and just agree to technically concede the match as if the matchplay never took place?

No. Just the Strokeplay one. Then whoever did poorest would simply concede the Matchplay match. If all square, then you play extra holes - probably in normal Matchplay format.

 

[Airlie_Andy]

No. Just the Strokeplay one. Then whoever did poorest would simply concede the Matchplay match. If all square, then you play extra holes - probably in normal Matchplay format.

As it happens I was well ahead in both but I will go in to the club this week and tell them to DQ me from the comp and offer to replay the matchplay again. I'm surprised the club allow it to happen to be honest. I had no idea it was against the rules.

 

[rickg]

I feel like a cheat now somehow.

You shouldn't as you didn't know the rule existed, but now you do, you can educate the rest of your club and possibly alert the committee to the fact that it is commonplace.....ideally they should post something on the notice board reminding players that they can't combine Matchplay & strokeplay......

depending on the views of others at your club, in particular the ones that do this regularly, ou may be made to feel like a leper as not everyone likes having the rules pointed out to them, especially when at first glance they can't see the point in some of them. This is a classic one where a lot of people don't see the harm and will ignore the rule.

 

[Foxholer]

Given that the Competition ihas been closed, I'm not sure that that is able to be done either!

So you might have got away with it - for the last time!

What does need to happen though, is to notify the Club that this (combined Strokeplay and Matchplay rounds) has been happening and that it's not allowed! Point out Rull 33-1 if necessary.

 

[duncan mackie]

As it happens I was well ahead in both but I will go in to the club this week and tell them to DQ me from the comp and offer to replay the matchplay again. I'm surprised the club allow it to happen to be honest. I had no idea it was against the rules.

I'll echo Rick and Foxy's comments here - if the competition is closed then your result in it cannot be changed now, they would be breaking the rules (34-1b applies here and (iv) makes it clear that you don't fall in that category - (iv) knew, before the competition closed, that he had been in breach of any other Rule for which the penalty is disqualification. You will only confuse everyone now!

As to the matchplay, effectively you opponent has conceded and the result has been posted - I would just leave it now.

It's one of those important distinctions between a concession and an alternative form of play.

I see club's basically turning a blind eye to people doing this because they don't see any harm, and wnat rounds to get played on schedule. Unfortunately, as with many such situations in life, it all goes well until someone decides otherwise (taking the examples earlier they claim the last hole to win, that under the stroke play rules they wouldn't have won - and it ends up with the committee, or even the R&A!)

 

[Airlie_Andy]

Thanks for the info guys. Couldn't sleep last night thinking I had cheated, even inadvertently. I'll bring it up for my own piece of mind and just abide by whatever decision they come to. Live and learn I guess.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think it is funny how blinkered and out of touch some committees are. Clearly the OP needs to educate his. I knew you couldn't play matchplay and strokeplay at the same time but wouldn't have been able to quote the rule so I have learnt something too

 

[HawkeyeMS]

You shouldn't as you didn't know the rule existed, but now you do, you can educate the rest of your club and possibly alert the committee to the fact that it is commonplace.....ideally they should post something on the notice board reminding players that they can't combine Matchplay & strokeplay......

depending on the views of others at your club, in particular the ones that do this regularly, ou may be made to feel like a leper as not everyone likes having the rules pointed out to them, especially when at first glance they can't see the point in some of them. This is a classic one where a lot of people don't see the harm and will ignore the rule.

I wouldn't mind betting the committee members are guilty of it Rick

 

[rickg]

I wouldn't mind betting the committee members are guilty of it Rick

Agree, I think it's a widespread problem.