Define the term "BANDIT"

[JustOne]

Lots of bandit threads around and people talking about their 'one day' performance as if they are bandits or think that they might have been - what IS the definition of a bandit in your book? ...avoiding putting in cards? breaking 40pts more than 5 out of 10 games they play?

 

[Losttheplot]

Well I always thought it was just someone really good at the game in the level he plays at, ie top amatuers in the amateur game, and not neccessarily in the derogative way it is perceived in the Pedro thread.
In my perception it's a positive term and seen as a complement. Just like when playing pool and someone calls you a shark because your good at the game.
Now take the same concept into golf and 'bandits' or 'sharks' are seen as people not handing cards in, protecting handicaps and somewhat dishonest people.
Not sure I like the term bandit in golf anymore. Didn't help with the can of worms-pedro thread with 100+ hits.... Never mind ey.

 

[birdieman]

Bandit..." A golfer who artificially maintains a handicap at a level that is higher than their true ability at golf should permit"

This is done by -
1. Playing too few qualifying matches.
2. Only entering in matchplay competitions that are non-qualifying for handicapping.
3. Deliberately scoring poorly in the '3 cards for handicap' allocation then again scoring poorly or NR'ing intentionally in some comps in order to protect their handicap for other big prize comps.

 

[SharkAttack]

For me someone who plays so much better in sweeps than they do in Competition. I don't mean a couple of shots here as the "Card in Hand" and playing from forward tee's does make a difference to your score but it is the same from everyone. There are those who only seem to play well when playing another 20 people for money or when it is one of the big club competitions, then only play well enough to keep their handicap the rest of the year in competitions.

I know I have set myself up for a big fall, as I am playing better than my handicap. I did set a target of cutting my handicap to 6 over the next two seasons with the hope of doing it this season.

At least I warned you all- <u>Shark</u> Attack

 

[CrapHacker]

If you look in the mirror in the morning, and your wife has drawn a zapata moustache on it, then you KNOW you'd better go buy a donkey.

A bandit is someone who deliberately keeps their handicap high, either by not entering / NRing medals, or even by deliberately playing badly to enter a falsely high score.


Then uses that handicap to win money / open comps etc.

 

[Smiffy]

Bandit..." A golfer who artificially maintains a handicap at a level that is higher than their true ability at golf should permit"

This is done by -
1. Playing too few qualifying matches.
2. Only entering in matchplay competitions that are non-qualifying for handicapping.
3. Deliberately scoring poorly in the '3 cards for handicap' allocation then again scoring poorly intentionally in some comps in order to protect their handicap for other big prize comps.

Perfectly put

 

[bobmac]

Someone who keeps their handicap artificially high to give them a better chance of winning big comps.
Therefor, the opposition in match play or the field in stroke play cant win. (Unless the others believe in the phrase "if you can't beat them, join them")
therefor their h/cap doesnt reflect there playing ability
therefor they are cheats as they are breaking the rules.

 

[john0]

Isnt a Bandit anybody who beats Homer?

 

[p1pete]

So would I be claseed as a Bandit?

Never palyed via a club, don't have an official handicap. But "think" I play to 20. Best round I have played this year is 4 over and the worst is more the 30 over!

Played last weekend on a few days away with friends and we have a stableford comp with another 4 ball, ended up with 42 points playing off 20. Played the following day and got 26 points playing off the same. I have never tried to play badly, I always want to do well else I see it as a complete waste of time and money.

My concern is playing at Royal Ascot this year with a "I think I play to" handicap then playing very well and possibly winning something I'll be classed as a cheat

 

[HawkeyeMS]

So would I be claseed as a Bandit?

Never palyed via a club, don't have an official handicap. But "think" I play to 20. Best round I have played this year is 4 over and the worst is more the 30 over!

Played last weekend on a few days away with friends and we have a stableford comp with another 4 ball, ended up with 42 points playing off 20. Played the following day and got 26 points playing off the same. I have never tried to play badly, I always want to do well else I see it as a complete waste of time and money.

My concern is playing at Royal Ascot this year with a "I think I play to" handicap then playing very well and possibly winning something I'll be classed as a cheat

I'd count yourself lucky that you've got mates who still let you play off 20 when you've played to 4 this year If one of my mates shot a 4 over gross and thought he'd still be playing off 20 he'd get a very rude awakening.

 

[Golfmmad]

The worst case of banditry I've ever seen was at our club Captains Charity Day last year. All played in teams of 4, including guest teams. Stableford format.

Whilst waiting on the first I got talking to a lad, mid to late 20's. He said that he was nervous on his first tee shot, and played off 28. I watched him drive off and have to say it was one of the best drives I've seen on our tricky first. Straight down the middle about 250yds - I thought 28!

His team came in with the best points score, he had 53points , his oppos had 48 - 44 - and 40.
They walked off with the prize of course and the applause was very very muted.

That's what I call extreme banditry!

Golfmmad.

 

[Losttheplot]

So would I be claseed as a Bandit?

Never palyed via a club, don't have an official handicap. But "think" I play to 20. Best round I have played this year is 4 over and the worst is more the 30 over!

Played last weekend on a few days away with friends and we have a stableford comp with another 4 ball, ended up with 42 points playing off 20. Played the following day and got 26 points playing off the same. I have never tried to play badly, I always want to do well else I see it as a complete waste of time and money.

My concern is playing at Royal Ascot this year with a "I think I play to" handicap then playing very well and possibly winning something I'll be classed as a cheat

I'd count yourself lucky that you've got mates who still let you play off 20 when you've played to 4 this year If one of my mates shot a 4 over gross and thought he'd still be playing off 20 he'd get a very rude awakening.

got to agree... You'd be playing off about 6 if it was me. You've had a great round to 4 gross and maybe it was a complete freak of a round but you still did it and can do it again. The fact that your up and down in scores is irrelevant.
I play off 8 but shoot 12-15 over par normally. I had a few good rounds, including my best ever 7 over par round and it went against me when getting my handicap. To be fair I'm closer to playing to 20 than 10 recently never mind 8 and I have to just live with it and hope my handicap levels out to where it should be.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Isnt a Bandit anybody who beats Homer?

That would be most of the people I've played against this year, certainly in strokeplay and stableford events. At least I know what bottom of the division feels like and still put my cards in without embarrassment

 

[john0]

Isnt a Bandit anybody who beats Homer?

That would be most of the people I've played against this year, certainly in strokeplay and stableford events. At least I know what bottom of the division feels like and still put my cards in without embarrassment

I wouldnt worry about it fella, ive had a similar stinking start to the season. Look at things on the good side, they can only get better for us (hopefully)

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Isnt a Bandit anybody who beats Homer?

That would be most of the people I've played against this year, certainly in strokeplay and stableford events. At least I know what bottom of the division feels like and still put my cards in without embarrassment

I wouldnt worry about it fella, ive had a similar stinking start to the season. Look at things on the good side, they can only get better for us (hopefully)

Or that could be like saying "best Christmas Walford has ever seen". Cue the dum dum sound and the credits rolling.

 

[Smiffy]

My concern is playing at Royal Ascot this year with a "I think I play to" handicap then playing very well and possibly winning something I'll be classed as a cheat

I'd play off scratch then.
I'd rather have the mickey taken out of me than be accused of cheating.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Smiffy

I doubt your going to trouble the prize giving table anyway. For any of those coming to RA without an official handicap I think you'll find there is nothing to worry about

 

[HawkeyeMS]

For any of those coming to RA without an official handicap I think you'll find there is nothing to worry about

What Homer means is, we'll wait till you've played and then calculate your handicap so you don't win

 

[Smiffy]

Smiffy
I doubt your going to trouble the prize giving table anyway.

Not intending to Homer.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Isnt a Bandit anybody who beats Homer?

That would be most of the people I've played against this year, certainly in strokeplay and stableford events. At least I know what bottom of the division feels like and still put my cards in without embarrassment

I wouldnt worry about it fella, ive had a similar stinking start to the season. Look at things on the good side, they can only get better for us (hopefully)

Dont Worry Homer

Im sure you will give me a spanking tomorrow

El Fragger