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Can Tiger regain his form?

Does Lee deserve to be no 1?

Just a few numbers;

Tiger
Driving distance 289 yds, (61st) 176th accuracy.
GIR 69.1% (22nd)
Putting 1.794 (122nd)
Putts per round 29.38 (134th)

Lee
Driving distance 294 yds, (23rd) 110th accuracy
GIR 68.1% (31st)
Putting 1.770 (72nd)
PPR 29.31 (126th)

Luke
Driving distance 277 yds (156th) 57th accuracy
GIR 65.66% (61st)
Putting 1.692 (1st)
PPR 27.50 (3rd)

Tiger is falling like a rock, and some have said he's finished.

Lee is No 1 but is never going to win a major coz he has no bottle.

Luke is coming up the rankings like a steam train.

So for all Tiger's frailty off the tee, he can still get the ball on the short stuff ok, but he can't putt.

Lee can't putt, but he can earn plenty of points ( & money ) with a decent but not great, long game.

Luke can't drive, and in fact has no long game to speak of, but he's dynamite round the greens. And he's having the best season of the three of them.

Are these numbers enough to persuade people to work on their short game, or will we all keep on taking the big dog to the range like always.

I know what I'm going to do.









Keep working on that big dog tbh - what does that say about me :(
 
Can Tiger regain his form?

Does Lee deserve to be no 1?

Just a few numbers;

Tiger
Driving distance 289 yds, (61st) 176th accuracy.
GIR 69.1% (22nd)
Putting 1.794 (122nd)
Putts per round 29.38 (134th)

Lee
Driving distance 294 yds, (23rd) 110th accuracy
GIR 68.1% (31st)
Putting 1.770 (72nd)
PPR 29.31 (126th)

Luke
Driving distance 277 yds (156th) 57th accuracy
GIR 65.66% (61st)
Putting 1.692 (1st)
PPR 27.50 (3rd)

Tiger is falling like a rock, and some have said he's finished.

Lee is No 1 but is never going to win a major coz he has no bottle.

Luke is coming up the rankings like a steam train.

So for all Tiger's frailty off the tee, he can still get the ball on the short stuff ok, but he can't putt.

Lee can't putt, but he can earn plenty of points ( & money ) with a decent but not great, long game.

Luke can't drive, and in fact has no long game to speak of, but he's dynamite round the greens. And he's having the best season of the three of them.

Are these numbers enough to persuade people to work on their short game, or will we all keep on taking the big dog to the range like always.

I know what I'm going to do.









Keep working on that big dog tbh - what does that say about me :(
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it says you have too much time on you hands to read all these ststs .. :D :D oh your not happy with your driving ha ;)
 
I've been working very hard on the 100 yards and in stuff recently and I'm getting much close to the pin from these distances.

On the down side I now can't hit a fairway off a tee to save my life!!

Oh well, back to the range with the long sticks...
 
Luke can't drive? You aff yer nut? 10 yards more and he'd be in Tiger's league. 10 yards in exchange for much better accuracy is not a bad trade.

Luke is so good this season because his all round game is so good. In fact if Tiger's long game was as good as Luke's he would have done a lot better this season.
 
haha, same as Matty, 100 and in feel very confident, off the tee I balls it up every single time!!!! shame it takes 3-4 to get to within 100 yds haha.

Personally I love stats and graphs etc as it gives a good overall picture of ones game.

my golfshot stats after 4 rounds...
* fairways hit: 50.0%
* greens in regulation: 0.0%
* recovery performance: 1.5%
* putting averages: 2.1

so pants all round but short game and putting is quite solid so I know if I can get a consitant long game, off the tee and approach my scores will tumble, hence 3 lessons booked and plenty of range work to ensue before Beau Desert meet :)
 
Luke can't drive? You aff yer nut? 10 yards more and he'd be in Tiger's league. 10 yards in exchange for much better accuracy is not a bad trade.
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I thought that, but he doesn't transfer that into a better GIR figure.

Which implies it's better to be long and wild, rather than short and straight. Ask Timgolfy what he thinks :eek:

Or,

Does it imply that the long game is pretty unimportant once you get to a certain level, and as long as you can get the ball there or there abouts, it's purely down to pitching and putting. :rolleyes:
 
Sorry to throw this at you guys,but why is it I can hit my 3
wood further than my driver?.Im using mx700 fairway,and the
driver is mx 700 10.5 both reg,Ive had them both about 6
months,my 3 wood as been my only choice recently..
 
Overall I think the majority of people would be happy with Luke's distance off the tee - averaging 270 yards is no mean feat. Even he puts it out there. Do those extra few yards make all the difference at the very top of the game? Probably not. But Luke wouldn't be World #2 if he was hitting 230 off the tee either.

Very interesting to see the PGA golf last night with the playoff on the long Par 5 580 yard 18th. Bubba Watson and Webb Simpson hitting 320 yards up the fair way, leaving 260 yard approach shots, then just short or on the green. For Luke that would have been maybe a 290 approach, and out of reach. On those long holes distance of the tee definitely paid.

STOP PRESS - Have just looked at the round stats for that 18th hold. Luke 2 pars, 2 birdies. Bubba 2 pars, 1 birdie, 1 bogey! Luke's short approach play really is quite spectacular.

STOP PRESS #2 - Have a look Luke's driving stats for the Zurich. T47 for driving distance averaging 247. Luke is by no means a small hitter.
 
Tiger has mad a career out of missing fairways and hitting GIR because he's a better iron and wedge player than anyone else on tour (at least he was). The thing that is missing at the moment is the putter but once he starts getting that back on track he'll be back to winning ways.

Saying Luke can't drive is like saying Bubba Watson is short, it's just plain daft.

Stats are great but all they prove is that there is more than one way to play golf, the only stat that really matters is how many shots you take to get the ball around the course.
 
Sorry to throw this at you guys,but why is it I can hit my 3
wood further than my driver?.Im using mx700 fairway,and the
driver is mx 700 10.5 both reg,Ive had them both about 6
months,my 3 wood as been my only choice recently..
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Without knowing your game we can only guess but either...

The longer shaft on the driver is causing you to hit the sweet spot less often, or

The higher loft on your 3 wood is giving you a better flight.

I hit both my driver and fairway wood longer with them adjusted for more loft.
It could be your angle of attack or a slowish swing speed.
 
Lee is No 1 but is never going to win a major coz he has no bottle.
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Rubbish. You've got to give yourself the chance to win and as the most consistent golfer around (hence #1) he'll contend again. Not a question of bottling any of the majors he has nearly won and he'll get one soon
 
Bubba Watson and Webb Simpson hitting 320 yards up the fair way, leaving 260 yard approach shots, then just short or on the green. For Luke that would have been maybe a 290 approach, and out of reach. On those long holes distance of the tee definitely paid.

STOP PRESS - Have just looked at the round stats for that 18th hold. Luke 2 pars, 2 birdies. Bubba 2 pars, 1 birdie, 1 bogey! Luke's short approach play really is quite spectacular.
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Up to and including the Heritage Tournament last week Luke led the PGA Tour in scoring on Par 5's - so distance ain't everything.... :D
 
Luke is by no means a small hitter.
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The stats say that within his peer group he is - 156th is pretty low.

You mention that he wouldn't be world no 2 if he only hit it 230. True. But then, he wouldn't be a pro either.

Stats are only relevant when related to something comparable.

Luke is long compared with me, but short compared with Lee. And I don't think too many people have heard Luke boasting about being able to outdrive me.
 
Luke is by no means a small hitter.
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The stats say that within his peer group he is - 156th is pretty low.

You mention that he wouldn't be world no 2 if he only hit it 230. True. But then, he wouldn't be a pro either.

Stats are only relevant when related to something comparable.

Luke is long compared with me, but short compared with Lee. And I don't think too many people have heard Luke boasting about being able to outdrive me.
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I know we're comparing the pros to each other but the distances and rankings are so tightly bunched together. If Luke averaged 7 yards more he'd move up 50 places!!! With 12 more yards he'd move up 100 places.

Not a lot in it...certainly not enough for Luke to worry about.
 
Luke is by no means a small hitter.
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The stats say that within his peer group he is - 156th is pretty low.

You mention that he wouldn't be world no 2 if he only hit it 230. True. But then, he wouldn't be a pro either.

Stats are only relevant when related to something comparable.

Luke is long compared with me, but short compared with Lee. And I don't think too many people have heard Luke boasting about being able to outdrive me.
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I know we're comparing the pros to each other but the distances and rankings are so tightly bunched together. If Luke averaged 7 yards more he'd move up 50 places!!! With 12 more yards he'd move up 100 places.

Not a lot in it...certainly not enough for Luke to worry about.
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So if we say that driving is relatively unimportant, how do we compare his short game stats with those of a full time 'bottler' like Lee.

Luke is climbing up the rankings coz his short game is spot on.

Lee is 120 places behind him at putting and is obviously unable to get the ball in the hole.

So how come Lee is still 2 places above Luke in the rankings? If he averages over 1.5 putts per round more than Luke, then surely he's going to fall 6 shots behind over the course of a tournament.

Is Lee on the downward slide?

Is Luke's way the best way?

Or is Lee the better example about how a golfer should prepare his game, and Luke's GIR figure is disappointingly low, and something he needs to work on?
 
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