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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

SocketRocket said:
Isn't one of the problems that critical care beds are being used by patients who although no longer critically ill have no recovery beds available to go to, thus blocking ICU facilities. It must be easier to care for people in recovery and necessitate a lower ratio of staff to patients. I do understand it's not a perfect situation but surely they can call on the military and other private resources if needs must. I know my mother worked as a nursing auxiliary with the red cross during the war.

Obviously not an expert opinion but sometimes when up against it we have to take emergency measures.
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That MAY be the case, but it would be as a result of the greater issue that, in spite of Omicron being less likely to require hospitalisation, the sheer quantity of cases means that there's been a significant increased demand for hospital beds. Graphs in this document show that hospitalisations increased by 50% from mid Dec to just before Christmas! https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
Numbers in Ventilated beds increased too, but only by 1 or 2%. Still way below the peak of a year ago though (<25%).
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Havenot been able to find any locally today at home, and weren’t able to find any up at MiLs earlier this week. Pharmacist today said they had t had any delivered for over a week, and as there is a single source of supply it is first come first served…pot luck.

Hopefully the promised millions of kits due to be made available from tomorrow will relieve the problem…though it seems inevitable that more testing (as will be driven up by those who have been looking for tests for days) in next few days could result in a significant kick-up in number of positives cover these days and it might therefore be hard to draw conclusions on the underlying trend.
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They have been able to be ordered online though. Just have to keep trying.
 
We’ve got NYE at ours tomorrow, 4 families which is 13 in total. The original plan was LFT’s for everyone in the morning however with no tests available we’ve had to go old school….”Do you feel well? Y/N”.
 
SocketRocket said:
You know that's not what I suggested. There is no simple answer but sometimes you just have to make the best out of what's available. As I suggested there's the military (If we had a fairly major military crisis where it resulted in large casualties then we would need to either bring in emergency measures or leave them untreated) In a national emergency we would need to take emergency measures like conscripting private medical staff, it's the critical care that's the priority. We are not talking about everyday situations but emergency situations that would be necessary to stop the health service folding.
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During the first wave/spike extra staff were moved from various areas. In effect they were moved up a slot. General nurses might end up in a High Dependency Unit and staff from there or theatres ended up in the extended ICU. Extra equipment was shipped in. Imagine going into work tomorrow and working with one manufacturer’s ventilator and syringe pump, and then the following day being confronted by equipment from another manufacturer. Even basic functions on ventilators are called different things by different manufacturers.

Private medical staff; pretty much every private hospital does elective work. Very, very few private medical staff could drop into a busy hospital dept seamlessly. It’s almost like asking a cabbie to drive an artic.

Using military medics/nurses etc. In a number of areas the military hospitals no longer exist and the staff already work in civilian hospitals. There isn’t the slack.
 
Foxholer said:
That MAY be the case, but it would be as a result of the greater issue that, in spite of Omicron being less likely to require hospitalisation, the sheer quantity of cases means that there's been a significant increased demand for hospital beds. Graphs in this document show that hospitalisations increased by 50% from mid Dec to just before Christmas! https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
Numbers in Ventilated beds increased too, but only by 1 or 2%. Still way below the peak of a year ago though (<25%).
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My comments are concerning what could be done should the NHS become overwhelmed with cases, I assume that's what these emergency hospitals are there for.

Looking at hospitalisations they stand at around 8K and have been around that level for a while. As you point out, numbers on ventilation are way down on a year ago and even then the nightingales weren't used then. The BBC news tonight was suggesting the doubling of admissions in the last week was dramatic but it's not really high numbers.

Anyhow, my comments were related to the staffing of Nightingales and not current case rates.
 
Hobbit said:
During the first wave/spike extra staff were moved from various areas. In effect they were moved up a slot. General nurses might end up in a High Dependency Unit and staff from there or theatres ended up in the extended ICU. Extra equipment was shipped in. Imagine going into work tomorrow and working with one manufacturer’s ventilator and syringe pump, and then the following day being confronted by equipment from another manufacturer. Even basic functions on ventilators are called different things by different manufacturers.

Private medical staff; pretty much every private hospital does elective work. Very, very few private medical staff could drop into a busy hospital dept seamlessly. It’s almost like asking a cabbie to drive an artic.

Using military medics/nurses etc. In a number of areas the military hospitals no longer exist and the staff already work in civilian hospitals. There isn’t the slack.
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Surely most people being admitted don't go onto ventilators and we are better at treating people than we were a year ago, no one was vaccinated then.

I don't believe these current nightingales are being made for intensive care but for recovery if needed.

I've suggested a few times now that where needs must we would have to do what ever we could, as you have to in emergency situations. What's the alternative other than leaving people to fend for themselves.
 
SocketRocket said:
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Looking at hospitalisations they stand at around 8K and have been around that level for a while....
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Try doing a 1month view of the hospitalisations in the document I quoted! You will see the pretty dramatic increase from 26th Dec (Xmas Day is a bit of an aberration) after a gentle increase from low for the month of 7190 on 4th. Pretty rapid climb to 11898 yesterday!
 
DanFST said:
Highly doubt it, left London on the 17th, can't imagine it would take this long to show up.
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You're thinking in simple terms although the incubation period can be upto 14 days.

The more people go out and have a laugh in pubs or at parties when cases are sky high, the more they'll spread it, meaning the more likely you are to catch it regardless of the location.
 
SocketRocket said:
Surely most people being admitted don't go onto ventilators and we are better at treating people than we were a year ago, no one was vaccinated then.

I don't believe these current nightingales are being made for intensive care but for recovery if needed.

I've suggested a few times now that where needs must we would have to do what ever we could, as you have to in emergency situations. What's the alternative other than leaving people to fend for themselves.
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Your post #24,001 you say it’s critical care that’s the priority. Make your mind up. Yes provision of one form or another would have to be made for whatever care was required but please don’t think trained medical staff are sitting on a shelf to be called - they’re already full out working.
 
Hobbit said:
Your post #24,001 you say it’s critical care that’s the priority. Make your mind up. Yes provision of one form or another would have to be made for whatever care was required but please don’t think trained medical staff are sitting on a shelf to be called - they’re already full out working.
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Critical care is the priority, not sure where I suggested otherwise.

I haven't said trained medical staff are sitting on a shelf, have I. My comments followed on from a discussion on how we could staff a nightingale hospital that was to provide emergency recovery care should it be needed , I've not suggested we could draft in plumbers or lorry drivers so please can you not suggest it's what I've meant.

I've made some suggestions on how we may be able to provide staff for running after care in a national emergency, nothing else. If you see something in my posts other than that then it's not what I've intended.
 
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4LEX said:
You're thinking in simple terms although the incubation period can be upto 14 days.

The more people go out and have a laugh in pubs or at parties when cases are sky high, the more they'll spread it, meaning the more likely you are to catch it regardless of the location.
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Just saying I doubt it. Can obviously never be sure.

Absolutely no signs other than a slightly higher temperature and a bit achy for one day. feel 100% now. Will grab my booster when possible after isolation and then not stress about it for a little bit and party on.
 
DanFST said:
Just saying I doubt it. Can obviously never be sure.

Absolutely no signs other than a slightly higher temperature and a bit achy for one day. feel 100% now. Will grab my booster when possible after isolation and then not stress about it for a little bit and party on.
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Party on?

Are you serious?
 
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DanFST said:
Not really, as far as I’m aware I’m 0 threat for a little bit after having it and being boosted.

I’m 30 and haven’t had a night out without thinking of covid in almost 2 years.

I will be enjoying myself for a couple weeks
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You are not zero threat. You may well not get a clinical infection if the beasties leap onto you, but you can distribute it around.

These NYE parties are going to cause a load of superspreader events.
 
DanFST said:
Not really, as far as I’m aware I’m 0 threat for a little bit after having it and being boosted.

I’m 30 and haven’t had a night out without thinking of covid in almost 2 years.

I will be enjoying myself for a couple weeks
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As long as you're enjoying yourself, that's the main thing. :censored:
 
road2ruin said:
We’ve got NYE at ours tomorrow, 4 families which is 13 in total. The original plan was LFT’s for everyone in the morning however with no tests available we’ve had to go old school….”Do you feel well? Y/N”.
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LFT are sensible if your mixing with other people but not always the answer.

Like you we had a family party Boxing Day the only person who took a LFT beforehand had a positive LFT the next day and was confirmed positive when he had PCR test.

Result is we are all isolating waiting results of our tests.

Hope you have a good night with your family.
 
bobmac said:
As long as you're enjoying yourself, that's the main thing
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How can he spread if if he’s just had it? This bit I don’t get. Have it an have immunity, get vaccinated and have immunity (albeit time limited)
If we are still locking down, officially or through societal pressure, what’s the point in vaccination.
This is the same argument that wants me to vaccinate my kids
 
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