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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

backwoodsman said:
Methinks this thread should either go back to its original purpose - how has coronavirus affected me - or be closed. The constant bickering is tiresome and the two sides are clearly never going to agree. (And yes, I know I dont have to read it, but I do...)
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Wouldn't particularly disagree, but still plenty of valuable info being provided. Agree with the bold bit, but so what - both sets of posts provide valuable info that I can make up my own mind from.

One thing that has puzzled me - or at least the resolution has eluded me - is wrt to 'the rate of spread versus seriousness' of Omicron. When this variant was first detected (or shortly after) the SA folk described it as seriously more spreadable, but significantly less dangerous if caught., compared to Delta, say. That info then seemed to disappear/be stressed less, only to become the conclusion in UK rather recently. I'm curious to understand why! Is it because local clinical data is only becoming/has become available? Or was it a 'conscious decision' for 'authorities' to stress the significantly more contagious nature to bolster/justify current/additional anti-Covid rhetoric and controls? Or am I going int 'conspiracy theory' mode?!
 
Swinglowandslow said:
You'll change your mind re 70 when you're 69!.
I still have "goals" in my life, like reducing the golf score, looking forward to catching lovely roach or tench. Enjoying my classical music where I witness one of the pinnacles of human endeavour.
I don't want it to end, so why should you?
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Because he lives for the minute. Much later minutes will inevitably alter that outlook.
 
Shoot me down, I don't care, need to vent. 50% of NHS staff off coz of covid. How? They wear all the protective stuff don't they? They are aware that there is a problem, aren't they? So thgey wear this stuff outside of work and take precautions, don't they? So how are they catching it? 50% of supermarket staff haven't cleared off on a jolly extended xmas holiday, and they are in more contact with the public. Why? I'll tell you why. They don't get paid load of dosh. They are mostly on part time contracts and need the bloody money. The NHS is staff by people who aren't from this country, so we are told. How wonderful they are. Where are they now? 50% off!!!!!! Also, the local NHS staff were whooping it up at an xmas party a week ago. How do I know? Coz my wife was at the same do but with a different company. It's all lies. Don't believe all you read. Loads are gpoing off with stress and we know of one auxillery who has jumped on the bandwagon and got a month off with stress. We know them and what they do. Stress my bum. They've just seen an opportunity and grabbed it. It's these people who will have us locked down. Well not me. They'll not stop me this time. Not EVER AGAIN. I've been to work mask less for the last two weeks and not caught it. It's all a joke.

Happy Xmas. Poo New Year, BJ will have no choice. See you in 2022 if I'm not banned. Trraaaaa !
 
Crazyface said:
Shoot me down, I don't care, need to vent. 50% of NHS staff off coz of covid. How? They wear all the protective stuff don't they? They are aware that there is a problem, aren't they? So thgey wear this stuff outside of work and take precautions, don't they? So how are they catching it? 50% of supermarket staff haven't cleared off on a jolly extended xmas holiday, and they are in more contact with the public. Why? I'll tell you why. They don't get paid load of dosh. They are mostly on part time contracts and need the bloody money. The NHS is staff by people who aren't from this country, so we are told. How wonderful they are. Where are they now? 50% off!!!!!! Also, the local NHS staff were whooping it up at an xmas party a week ago. How do I know? Coz my wife was at the same do but with a different company. It's all lies. Don't believe all you read. Loads are gpoing off with stress and we know of one auxillery who has jumped on the bandwagon and got a month off with stress. We know them and what they do. Stress my bum. They've just seen an opportunity and grabbed it. It's these people who will have us locked down. Well not me. They'll not stop me this time. Not EVER AGAIN. I've been to work mask less for the last two weeks and not caught it. It's all a joke.

Get a grip...
Happy Xmas. Poo New Year, BJ will have no choice. See you in 2022 if I'm not banned. Trraaaaa !
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The rate of infection amongst NHS staff is UP 54%....not 50% in total.
Total of 19k off sick at the moment due to Covid
 
Crazyface said:
Shoot me down, I don't care, need to vent. 50% of NHS staff off coz of covid. How? They wear all the protective stuff don't they? They are aware that there is a problem, aren't they? So thgey wear this stuff outside of work and take precautions, don't they? So how are they catching it? 50% of supermarket staff haven't cleared off on a jolly extended xmas holiday, and they are in more contact with the public. Why? I'll tell you why. They don't get paid load of dosh. They are mostly on part time contracts and need the bloody money. The NHS is staff by people who aren't from this country, so we are told. How wonderful they are. Where are they now? 50% off!!!!!! Also, the local NHS staff were whooping it up at an xmas party a week ago. How do I know? Coz my wife was at the same do but with a different company. It's all lies. Don't believe all you read. Loads are gpoing off with stress and we know of one auxillery who has jumped on the bandwagon and got a month off with stress. We know them and what they do. Stress my bum. They've just seen an opportunity and grabbed it. It's these people who will have us locked down. Well not me. They'll not stop me this time. Not EVER AGAIN. I've been to work mask less for the last two weeks and not caught it. It's all a joke.

Happy Xmas. Poo New Year, BJ will have no choice. See you in 2022 if I'm not banned. Trraaaaa !
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surely worth doing some fact checking first

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59769251
 
Well after a poor year with my old man dying and after getting my Ma to agree to come here for Xmas day, I’ve just had my positive pcr test results back.
Well done covid for managing to ruin my entire year , you utter
Not best pleased.
 
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Ethan said:
Oh grow up. Balance - hahahahahaha. The last thing that piece of drivel brings is balance.

It is perfectly right and proper for me to comment on other opinions and the people that make them. If Pfizer did a piece saying the vaccines were great, you would say 'they would say that, wouldn't they', so when a paper well known for its bigotry, tax-dodging owners, and its anti-locjkdopuwn and anti-NHS positions, I am entitled to, and will, say so. The Torygraph is clearly and unambiguously horribly biased. You may like their position, and that is your right, but I don't have to accept their crap, especially not that of a particularly extreme journalist, not a medical or scientific professional.

The fact you keep ranting about people "panicking" shows you really don't understand the issues or the uncertainties, so it is understandable you get reassurance from a "common sense" confirmation bias bubble. You should consider that the "common sense" of Torygraph readers and Tory backbenchers like the uber-moron Redwood have already unnecessarily cost many lives and much economic depression through their interference with a proper response. Sorting out the pandemic properly sooner would have saved many or both, so spare me the sanctimonious economic hypocrisy.

And nobody who supported the B-word can pretend they really give a toss about the economic future of this country.
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I'm inclined to agree.

The problem is that most people ( IMO a majority) have no idea of the capabilities of modern modelling software. It's moved on a long way from playing with spreadsheets. In addition the mathematical understanding of how Pandemics develop has also changed in recent years. Journalists have habit of skating past the complex bits and the qualifiers as they search for clickbait.

Even the judiciary recognise the limitations of 'public' based juries because of technical and scientific complexity. Prof Whitty tries to simplify a complex issue and usually does pretty well again IMO.

I would not put the Telegraph in the ranks of clever thinkers.
 
drdel said:
I'm inclined to agree.

The problem is that most people ( IMO a majority) have no idea of the capabilities of modern modelling software. It's moved on a long way from playing with spreadsheets. In addition the mathematical understanding of how Pandemics develop has also changed in recent years. Journalists have habit of skating past the complex bits and the qualifiers as they search for clickbait.

Even the judiciary recognise the limitations of 'public' based juries because of technical and scientific complexity. Prof Whitty tries to simplify a complex issue and usually does pretty well again IMO.

I would not put the Telegraph in the ranks of clever thinkers.
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I don’t doubt the accuracy of what you say, and certainly think the press and media have been beyond shameful throughout the pandemic.

Given that, I do question why, especially in recent times, the figures I referred to earlier today have not been provided directly by ministers at government briefings.

Nobody can tell me that our masters don’t know;

1. The number of people in hospital as a direct result of Covid.

2. The number in ICU as a direct result of Covid.

3. The number on ventilation as a direct result of Covid.

4. The number of deaths where Covid was the primary cause.

5. The vaccination status of all those in 1-4.

They are the numbers most want to know, because they are the most important to the man on the street, especially as we want to know the true impact of vaccines. Frankly, I couldn’t give a flying fig how many have died for any reason within 28 days of a positive Covid test. I’m not in the least bit interested, because that number tells me absolutely zip regarding the impact of the pandemic.

I can’t believe the figures I refer to are not made available daily in an easy to digest format.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Come on, it has clearly got to a highly relevant stage, I.e the question about the unpublished stats. If we close a thread every time contributors are not in agreement, it will be flat as a pancake and invite an elephant somewhere he shouldn't go?
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Trouble is, it's just going round, and round. And round and round and round. With the same protagonists blowing hot air & insults. (Global warming is a definite based on this thread ...)
 
3offTheTee said:
Bit of a dilemma.. Heart and head scenario. Flight booked to Fuerterventura with Ryanair on 8/1/22. They have cancelled ALL other flights to FUE for around 6 weeks, not returning with them. the plane is around 25% full and we have been to Spain earlier this year and know about the form filling plus additional requirements now.

2 week trip and returning from Lanzarote. No “spring chickens” Captain Ron but fully jabbed. Will probably wait for another 10 days to decide but thoughts would be appreciated.
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Don't forget that the Canary Islands (for now) have different entry requirements to mainland Spain.
 
Done me daily LFT and it showed the faintest trace on the T line, Missis T showed ok But her throat is not good and coughing like a 40 a day smoker. But we have both been for a PCR. Watch this space.
Daughter has been round yesterday and the grandsproggs could be released from the PCR covid prison on the 27th and come here. Well if Tash has COVID they won’t. God knows what will happen to them. Daughter is back at work on the 28th and the force has been hammered with COVID. For me one of the Major problems with this Omicron has not been how serious it could be but how infectious it is. The knock on effect of catching it and the ramifications to family at this time of the year is unbelievable.
Mr and Missis Tash are busting a gut to stick by the rules and play the game. However I called me Mum earlier, she was on about me brother who went out for a meal last night. His ex wife’s daughter turned up having failed a LFT and said “ stuff it, Ave had enough, I wanted a meal with the family”. Some folk are putting two fingers up to the whole Jiggery do.
 
Brads said:
Well after a poor year with my old man dying and after getting my Ma to agree to come here for Xmas day, I’ve just had my positive pcr test results back.
Well done covid for managing to ruin my entire year , you utter
Not best pleased.
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Sorry to hear that. Tough times. Wish this bloody virus would just do one now...
 
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Brads said:
Well after a poor year with my old man dying and after getting my Ma to agree to come here for Xmas day, I’ve just had my positive pcr test results back.
Well done covid for managing to ruin my entire year , you utter
Not best pleased.
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Be inclined to delete that post NOW Brad my friend
 
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I wonder if this obsession with daily numbers (120,000 today) will continue every year? When flu is back (assuming it hasn't be cured in the last 2 years) will we have an exciting daily update to tell us how many people have that?

Cases is meaningless now and should be scraped and replaced with daily hospitalisations. That figure should be broken down into those who are in with Covid and those who are in because of Covid. Those figures are much more beneficial in terms of seeing what type of s**t we’re in.
 
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Maybe the Mods haven't seen it..?
They don't live on here....if you think a post breaks rules use the report button - then they will see it.(y)
 
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Tashyboy said:
Done me daily LFT and it showed the faintest trace on the T line, Missis T showed ok But her throat is not good and coughing like a 40 a day smoker. But we have both been for a PCR. Watch this space.
Daughter has been round yesterday and the grandsproggs could be released from the PCR covid prison on the 27th and come here. Well if Tash has COVID they won’t. God knows what will happen to them. Daughter is back at work on the 28th and the force has been hammered with COVID. For me one of the Major problems with this Omicron has not been how serious it could be but how infectious it is. The knock on effect of catching it and the ramifications to family at this time of the year is unbelievable.
Mr and Missis Tash are busting a gut to stick by the rules and play the game. However I called me Mum earlier, she was on about me brother who went out for a meal last night. His ex wife’s daughter turned up having failed a LFT and said “ stuff it, Ave had enough, I wanted a meal with the family”. Some folk are putting two fingers up to the whole Jiggery do.
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Fingers crossed you stay well Tashy.

My brother was out shopping with his two daughters a couple of days ago. The younger one said, "I've just seen my friend in Costa". My brother said, "Do you want to go and have a drink with her". Response from daughter was, "No, she's on her way for a PCR test because she had a positive LFT this morning". Some people really don't care about others.
 
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