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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

road2ruin said:
Absolute nonsense.
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Not at all. All hospitality care about is their own back pocket. Safety is way down the list. There is a way to balance both up which most have overlooked as they're indebted to their eyeballs. That sector is full of ambitious yet clueless people.

Those in property managment will make a killing next year :sneaky:
 
Jamesbrown said:
Have you been to pubs? They are busy. Like a mask free haven. A safe refuge and a bastion of normality.

Bide your time you can go when they bring back table service and it has a dull atmosphere.
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I also remember a similar argument for the smoking ban where non smokers would feel safe and would fill the pubs if smoking was banned. Those people never came and pubs shut.

A sorry day for pubs throwing those ash trays away! That should of been a choice for pubs as well.
 
Interesting that on this evenings briefing Nikki Kanani suggested that if you go to a football stadium at the moment you should be going to get vaccinated and not to watch a football match. And just on the latter, my single experience of a large crowd and showing your vaccine passport was that so many thousands were still outside queueing to get in when the match started that they simply stopped checking to get supporters into the ground and to avoid unrest in the fans stuck outside.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Interesting that on this evenings briefing Nikki Kanani suggested that if you go to a football stadium at the moment you should be going to get vaccinated and not to watch a football match. And just on the latter, my single experience of a large crowd and showing your vaccine passport was that so many thousands were still outside queueing to get in when the match started that they simply stopped checking to get supporters into the ground and to avoid unrest in the fans stuck outside.
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But the point is there won't be a defined start time e.g kick off and it will be a booking system. All these stadiums have very good facilities inside the stadium so it should be a reasonably easy thing to get it set up. Many stadium are easily accessible too
 
Jamesbrown said:
Have you been to pubs? They are busy. Like a mask free haven. A safe refuge and a bastion of normality.

Bide your time you can go when they bring back table service and it has a dull atmosphere.
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I love the pubs/clubs so feel torn about it all. But I can wait a few months for normality given the current situation. You're simply buring your head in the sand and pretending everything is fine. Which is exactly what hospitality is trying to do and why many places will go under. However they won't blame themselves, they'll blame the government. Even though the UK has the highest cases/least restrictive measures on the planet.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
But the point is there won't be a defined start time e.g kick off and it will be a booking system. All these stadiums have very good facilities inside the stadium so it should be a reasonably easy thing to get it set up. Many stadium are easily accessible too
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Must admit that’s not my experience of most stadiums. All fine when things are going well but, depending on capacity, when you’re having to stop every single person to check additional things it’s amazing how quickly the queue builds. I witnessed it at the Open this year, people getting to the front of the queue and ‘not realising’ they needed a negative test or couldn’t find the app!!
 
road2ruin said:
Must admit that’s not my experience of most stadiums. All fine when things are going well but, depending on capacity, when you’re having to stop every single person to check additional things it’s amazing how quickly the queue builds. I witnessed it at the Open this year, people getting to the front of the queue and ‘not realising’ they needed a negative test or couldn’t find the app!!
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I take your point but at the ones I've seen it has worked well. I do think the sheer volume of people now wanting the booster may overrun even the most organised clinic
 
One for Ethan.

Below is the top rated comment from the BBC website today. Is there a happy medium? ?

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I am an NHS consultant.

More people are losing their life from inadequate cancer treatment, cardiovascular interventions, delays in thrombolysis for stroke than from what appears (on early analysis) to be a less pathogenic form of Covid.

We mustn’t let this, admittedly terrible pandemic, prevent us for caring for all of those who have treatable conditions and deserve much better.

Thoughts please me duck.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
I take your point but at the ones I've seen it has worked well. I do think the sheer volume of people now wanting the booster may overrun even the most organised clinic
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Ah sorry, I think I misread your comment. You were talking about stadiums as a booster/vax venue! I was talking about checking vax situation of fans wanting to get inside.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
HID had the Moderna booster on the back of two AZ jabs. Really struggling and already off to bed. I had Pfizer for all three and although felt a little rough for 24 hours on each had no real reactions
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HID had that combo but he took paracetamol before and then for the following day. No reaction at all. Perhaps she could try that. I've had three pfizers and no reactions.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
I take your point but at the ones I've seen it has worked well. I do think the sheer volume of people now wanting the booster may overrun even the most organised clinic
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But I am talking about football matches - as these are going ahead even though Nikki Kanani is clearly not that keen on that idea. I was at a Scotland game, 50,000 crowd, and so the fans should have been used to showing their vaccine passports at the turnstiles. But when we arrived 20mins before k/o and many thousands were still outside it seems they just stopped bothering checking.

I have no idea what‘s been happening at Parkhead and Ibrox. And maybe it didn’t matter that much with the delta infections growing but illness levels just about being managed - but with this variant on the rampage, it seems, I’m fearing that unless checking is strict this weekend and subsequent match days in the English leagues, then each match could become a super-spreader event.

And if as usual fans turn up shortly before the kick-off, or even a bit earlier, there could be significant queueing and consequent unrest outside grounds if k/o are not delayed to let fans in, and we know what TV is like…
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
But I am talking about football matches - as these are going ahead even though Nikki Kanani is clearly not that keen on that idea. I was at a Scotland game, 50,000 crowd, and so the fans should have been used to showing their vaccine passports at the turnstiles. But when we arrived 20mins before k/o and many thousands were still outside it seems they just stopped bothering checking.

I have no idea what‘s been happening at Parkhead and Ibrox. And maybe it didn’t matter that much with the delta infections growing but illness levels just about being managed - but with this variant on the rampage, it seems, I’m fearing that unless checking is strict this weekend and subsequent match days in the English leagues, then each match could become a super-spreader event.

And if as usual fans turn up shortly before the kick-off, or even a bit earlier, there could be significant queueing and consequent unrest outside grounds if k/o are not delayed to let fans in, and we know what TV is like…
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I was talking about stadia for vaccines not football
 
HomerJSimpson said:
I was talking about stadia for vaccines not football
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I know. But when I mentioned in my post what Nikki Kanani said in the briefing, I was actually noting my hearing her implication that she’d rather football matches weren’t going ahead, or if they did then without spectators. Maybe I misunderstood and she wasn’t implying that.

But I think my point remains about covid checks of spectators going into grounds and possible, even likely, delays meaning checks are not fully done, and so risk of football matches being super-spreader events.

I note that my brother chose to not go to Ibrox this evening even though he is a season ticket holder due to his assessment of the risk of infection, and that it wasn’t worth it and the risk for him easily outweighing the certain pleasure of watching his team beat mine.
 
My Mrs is ‘suggesting’ that when I play golf in next week or so I don’t go in the clubhouse. She is very keen that we minimise the risk of infection this close to Christmas as we need to be with MiL for Christmas. I guess that she is right.
 
Tashyboy said:
One for Ethan.

Below is the top rated comment from the BBC website today. Is there a happy medium? ?

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I am an NHS consultant.

More people are losing their life from inadequate cancer treatment, cardiovascular interventions, delays in thrombolysis for stroke than from what appears (on early analysis) to be a less pathogenic form of Covid.

We mustn’t let this, admittedly terrible pandemic, prevent us for caring for all of those who have treatable conditions and deserve much better.

Thoughts please me duck.
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It may be true, but it may also be an apples and oranges comparison. First, we don't yet really know the effects of Omicron. The quoted NHS Consultant gives him or herself a bit of wiggle room by saying "on early analysis" but it is true that at first glance mortality is lower than other forms of Covid. Covid has two faces, one is a reparatory pneumonic illness, which appears to be mild in Omicron, but the other is a nasty inflammatory illness and we don't yet know how that plays out.

Another important distinction is preventability. All Covid cases are theoretically preventable, but not all deaths in people with cancer or established heart disease are. I haven't seen data on whether cancer outcomes have been shown to be worse. There are lots of anecdotal stories about patients having surgery delayed, but that may or may not translate into a different outcome. Elective surgery in sick people has an operative death rate too.

But the answer to both problems is the same. If you asked that NHS Consultant whether effective Covid control measures (lockdowns, social distancing etc) and increased vaccination (including mandatory) would help clear space for treating cancer or cardiovascular disease, the answer has to be yes. If they are saying that we should "learn to live with it" then it will inevitably cause more blockages in hospitals and GP-land for a while yet.

I said earlier to Paul that the unifying theory for improving non-Covid care, the economy and Covid itself is the same - get effective control of Covid. We have not yet properly done this in the UK. Other countries have done it better, sometimes massively better. It can be done. Or perhaps it could have been done.
 
Tashyboy said:
One for Ethan.

Below is the top rated comment from the BBC website today. Is there a happy medium? ?

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I am an NHS consultant.

More people are losing their life from inadequate cancer treatment, cardiovascular interventions, delays in thrombolysis for stroke than from what appears (on early analysis) to be a less pathogenic form of Covid.

We mustn’t let this, admittedly terrible pandemic, prevent us for caring for all of those who have treatable conditions and deserve much better.

Thoughts please me duck.
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I think he is failing to see the wider picture of when capacity across the employment sector is impacted.
 
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