D-S
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Like they do in Scotland?I have not suggested we have another lockdown, unless my suggestion of wearing masks on public transport and in shops is considered a lockdown.
Like they do in Scotland?I have not suggested we have another lockdown, unless my suggestion of wearing masks on public transport and in shops is considered a lockdown.
I have not suggested we have another lockdown, unless my suggestion of wearing masks on public transport and in shops is considered a lockdown.
If you have gained the impression I believe there is no difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed then that's wrong. My point was that hospitalisations and deaths appear proportional to infection rates. I cannot find imperical data that gives a breakdown on the age or vaccinated status of these people so cannot comment on it.It seems you are avoiding the 'underlying question' I allude to? You express concern ( post. 21178) in which you make no differentiation between vaxxed and unvaxxed, the impression being that very many vaxxed are in hospital and dying.
And this point is the crux of whether your concern is justified for the reasons I have already given.
As to what you are asking for, it isn't only mandatory mask wearing. In post 21154 you say" not the right time to open events in closed environments"
So, no theatres, cinemas, nightclubs. Are pubs not closed environments?,
Church halls? Churches? Etc
Do you not agree that if the infections are not seriously affecting the vaccinated, and the hospitalisations and deaths are almost all those refusing vaccinations, ( Everyone over 18 has been offered the vaccine),then the 45 million or so vaccinated should be allowed some worthwhile freedoms in which they will be mainly safe, and which allow the economy to start to recover?
However, if the figures show that a significantly large number of the hospitalised and dying are reasonably healthy vaccinated people, then your concerns are valid and actions you advocate should be taken.
Yes. Do you have evidence that wearing masks in Scotland is creating higher infection rates?Like they do in Scotland?
The underlying question in these exchanges with Bobmac is if you think the rise in hospitalisations and deaths are involving to any significant effect those who have been double jabbed.
IF it does, then yes we have a problem.
Yes. Do you have evidence that wearing masks in Scotland is creating higher infection rates?
Well it doesn’t seem to be reducing them, unfortunately.Yes. Do you have evidence that wearing masks in Scotland is creating higher infection rates?
No we don't. Imagine we got to the point where 100% of the UK population has been vaccinated. That would mean that 100% of those in hospital or dying had been double jabbed. The vaccines aren't 100% effective (and as far as I know there isn't any vaccine that is) which means that some of those that have received it will still become ill and die.
93% of people wear a seatbelt when they drive a car. But 66% of people killed in car accidents are wearing a seatbelt. This doesn't mean that seatbelts are ineffective, it means that the 7% of people that don't wear a seatbelt account for 34% of fatalities.
Well it doesn’t seem to be reducing them, unfortunately.
As has been pointed out on multiple occasions on this thread, Scottish schools are back in session and this always means a spike in infections (just look at last year when schools and Uni's went back). Lets flip the paradigm, there is no evidence that without masks in other settings that the current figures would be exponentially higher. I think you will witness the same spike in a month or so with or without "masks in certain settings" as long as schools don't form part of those "settings".
Schools returning, along with relaxation of pretty much all restrictions (except mask wearing in certain settings) and, for example 50,000+ in Ibrox on Sunday (not many masks on view), and people are surprised that the infection rates are going up?
For me, the important figures are still relative rates for hospitalisations and deaths. These are climbing but, from what I can see, not at the same rate as infections (with the obvious caveat that there is a delay).
Some people, not having a direct pop at anyone on here, seem to have blind faith that masks are the answer to this. They aren't. They may be part of the solution but they are a minimal part from all that I can see and have read. Certainly 99% of the masks we are all wearing, Your point about Scotland is simple but effective. If masks solved everything their numbers would be going down in comparison to England but they are not. Up there, up here. The reduction in mask wearing in England is not the cause of current spikes, mixing and the unvaccinated are the real areas to look at.Well it doesn’t seem to be reducing them, unfortunately.
I don't believe anyone is saying masks are a saviour to everything, only sensible precaution like social distancing.Some people, not having a direct pop at anyone on here, seem to have blind faith that masks are the answer to this. They aren't. They may be part of the solution but they are a minimal part from all that I can see and have read. Certainly 99% of the masks we are all wearing, Your point about Scotland is simple but effective. If masks solved everything their numbers would be going down in comparison to England but they are not. Up there, up here. The reduction in mask wearing in England is not the cause of current spikes, mixing and the unvaccinated are the real areas to look at.
The reduction in wearing them does seem to be raised quite frequently as to why numbers in England are increasing. They may play a part but other factors are much greaterI don't believe anyone is saying masks are a saviour to everything, only sensible precaution like social distancing.
Well it doesn’t seem to be reducing them, unfortunately.
my niece came around last week and lovingly spread whatever is the latest bug that is going around at nursery.
HID and me wiped out. Worryingly all the wrong symptoms... loss of taste, coughing, cold.. no fever so far. been a couple of days. Both are double vaccinated.
yesterday, our lateral flows came negative. So that is a relief... but who knows.. i am going to crawl under the bed for the rest of the week