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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Kellfire said:
You’re not a decent person if you don’t care that they’re in paying for the stupidity with their lives in some cases.
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However, and this is the point which you seem to be missing, they are paying for as you say for 'their stupidity' with other people lives as well as their own. This does not seem to be acceptable in a civilised society.
 
D-S said:
However, and this is the point which you seem to be missing, they are paying for as you say for 'their stupidity' with other people lives as well as their own. This does not seem to be acceptable in a civilised society.
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I haven’t missed the point at all, I just haven’t addressed it.

It’s simple - if people won’t get vaccinated then those of us that have may need to continue with certain restrictions.
 
SaintHacker said:
Yep, in response to your initial insult, which, again as usual, was completely uncalled for .
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I stand by the fact that if you think people deserve to get sick because they won’t get vaccinated, that makes you not a decent person.

Do you think people (including those vaccinated because they would be affected, too) deserve to get sick because some people refuse to get vaccinated?
 
Kellfire said:
I stand by the fact that if you think people deserve to get sick because they won’t get vaccinated, that makes you not a decent person.

Do you think people (including those vaccinated because they would be affected, too) deserve to get sick because some people refuse to get vaccinated?
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Where exactly have I said that?
 
Kellfire said:
I haven’t missed the point at all, I just haven’t addressed it.

It’s simple - if people won’t get vaccinated then those of us that have may need to continue with certain restrictions.
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So we have to pay for 'their stupidity' and you are happy with that? You do realise that 'certain restrictions' do not work 100% and so that the way we 'pay for their stupidity' is with our lives - are you happy with that?
 
Many of the young people getting the virus are innocent victims of other idiots. It's reported locally that about 60 kids tested positive as the result of one family returning from India not following the guidance. The same community have been among the lowest jab takeup sectors.
 
D-S said:
So we have to pay for 'their stupidity' and you are happy with that? You do realise that 'certain restrictions' do not work 100% and so that the way we 'pay for their stupidity' is with our lives - are you happy with that?
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No I’m not happy with that. It’s just how it may have to be.

And I’m not happy with the fact people will get sick because of their refusals either.

What would you suggest happens? Force vaccinate people?
 
Kellfire said:
No I’m not happy with that. It’s just how it may have to be.

And I’m not happy with the fact people will get sick because of their refusals either.

What would you suggest happens? Force vaccinate people?
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I wouldn't dream of force vaccinating and I am not sure why you should assume that I might be.
Perhaps those that choose not to be vaccinated should be the ones who face restrictions, maybe greater than we are currerntly forced to have - a restriction in contact with others, high grade face masks, self isolation - there are a range of measures which would allow thier 'stupidity' not to affect the health and mental well being of others in society.
 
D-S said:
I wouldn't dream of force vaccinating and I am not sure why you should assume that I might be.
Perhaps those that choose not to be vaccinated should be the ones who face restrictions, maybe greater than we are currerntly forced to have - a restriction in contact with others, high grade face masks, self isolation - there are a range of measures which would allow thier 'stupidity' not to affect the health and mental well being of others in society.
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I didn’t assume you would be for forced vaccinations. I asked you if you were.

The problem with your suggestions is that those who are vaccinated mix with those who aren’t.
 
Kellfire said:
I didn’t assume you would be for forced vaccinations. I asked you if you were.

The problem with your suggestions is that those who are vaccinated mix with those who aren’t.
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Not if they self isolate they don't and if they do have to mix a high grade face mask might help. Perhaps. as we were advised, they should act as if they have it until they make the choice of getting a free life saving vaccine.
 
Kellfire said:
No I’m not happy with that. It’s just how it may have to be.

And I’m not happy with the fact people will get sick because of their refusals either.

What would you suggest happens? Force vaccinate people?
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I wouldn't advocate forcing vaccinations, but I would happily restrict the ability for those not vaccinated to spread the infection, so I am entirely comfortable with Covid passports/apps for indoor events and the like. In addition, I think peol,e in certain jobs should be vaccinated or demonstrate immunity another way, or be withdrawn from their roles. The passport is not discriminatory so long as all genders, faiths and races have equal access. If some or other choose not to accept it, that is their choice, but there should be consequences for that choice.
 
Ethan said:
I wouldn't advocate forcing vaccinations, but I would happily restrict the ability for those not vaccinated to spread the infection, so I am entirely comfortable with Covid passports/apps for indoor events and the like. In addition, I think peol,e in certain jobs should be vaccinated or demonstrate immunity another way, or be withdrawn from their roles. The passport is not discriminatory so long as all genders, faiths and races have equal access. If some or other choose not to accept it, that is their choice, but there should be consequences for that choice.
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This...


The only lack of equal access has been age based prioritisation. (and minor regional rates of application)
 
Ethan said:
I wouldn't advocate forcing vaccinations, but I would happily restrict the ability for those not vaccinated to spread the infection, so I am entirely comfortable with Covid passports/apps for indoor events and the like. In addition, I think peol,e in certain jobs should be vaccinated or demonstrate immunity another way, or be withdrawn from their roles. The passport is not discriminatory so long as all genders, faiths and races have equal access. If some or other choose not to accept it, that is their choice, but there should be consequences for that choice.
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This is where I’m at, too. I agree.
 
Ethan said:
I wouldn't advocate forcing vaccinations, but I would happily restrict the ability for those not vaccinated to spread the infection, so I am entirely comfortable with Covid passports/apps for indoor events and the like. In addition, I think peol,e in certain jobs should be vaccinated or demonstrate immunity another way, or be withdrawn from their roles. The passport is not discriminatory so long as all genders, faiths and races have equal access. If some or other choose not to accept it, that is their choice, but there should be consequences for that choice.
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100% agree. A worker at my wifes pre school, who works with vulnerable children, is refusing to have the jab for no other reason than she 'doesnt see why she should have it'? Unfortunately the setting can't really do anything abiut it it seems, personally I think she should be invited to seek alternative employment
 
I play golf with an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist. Much as I like her, and to an extent respect her freedom of choice, I don't think she should be allowed to mix indoors with those that are vaccinated. Clubhouse out of bounds and, therefore, a bit safer for the rest who are using it.

That would have made her think a bit if the away match to Woburn was off limits...
 
Ethan said:
I wouldn't advocate forcing vaccinations, but I would happily restrict the ability for those not vaccinated to spread the infection, so I am entirely comfortable with Covid passports/apps for indoor events and the like. In addition, I think peol,e in certain jobs should be vaccinated or demonstrate immunity another way, or be withdrawn from their roles. The passport is not discriminatory so long as all genders, faiths and races have equal access. If some or other choose not to accept it, that is their choice, but there should be consequences for that choice.
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Agree, it’s not discriminatory of you are making a conscious choice to be put in that particular group. My freedoms should not be limited by them. Anyone who makes the choice not to have it should have their movements severely limited. No access to leisure, religious facilities and anywhere else that fairly large numbers gather.
 
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