Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

PhilTheFragger said:
@Ethan
Please read Swinglowandslow’s post again
And please take in the comments

Knowing when to stop is an art worth learning ?
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I did read it. I don't like the move where people move from making points to throwing in personal comments or straw men. If anyone disagrees with something I am saying, they should offer coherent arguments and they might persuade me to change my mind.
 
Ethan said:
If anyone disagrees with something I am saying, they should offer coherent arguments and they might persuade me to change my mind.
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It’s not about people trying to persuade you to change your mind. It’s about contributors having contrasting opinions to yours. Why can’t you just accept that?

I was told not to “be silly” by you a week or so ago, and you’ve said exactly the same to someone else in the last 24 hours.

Not an insult likely to cause sleepless nights, I’ll grant you, but totally and utterly unnecessary, and moreover that sort of comment detracts from all the good points you make.
 
I'm with Ethan. Just because your horse appears to be leading the race doesn't necessarily mean that you were wise to back it, or that your investment was based on ethical principles. Ethan supports his opinions with evidence. No surprise that he responds when people question him without providing anything substantial to support their argument.

Just my opinion.
 
Tashyboy said:
Me and Missis T have had our Oxford vaccines tonight, I was very impressed with the set up. Missis T knew one of the nurses. She did her training with her back in 1980. Anyway the nurse said quite a few folk have turned down the Oxford vaccine wanting the Pfizer one.
I spoke to a good pal in Italy earlier today. She is 70, I mentioned we are having our vaccines today. She said she has registered with her local chemist that she wants the vaccine but the chemist does not have a clue when they will some vaccines in. She was not impressed at all.
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Perfectly understandable as there are several 'expert' opinions, to be found, suggesting it's the 'second class' option...
 
fenwayrich said:
I'm with Ethan. Just because your horse appears to be leading the race doesn't necessarily mean that you were wise to back it, or that your investment was based on ethical principles. Ethan supports his opinions with evidence. No surprise that he responds when people question him without providing anything substantial to support their argument.

Just my opinion.
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I did not feel it necessary to provide anything substantial in my initial post #17449 as I merely asked a question as to did he think the UK's vaccine strategy had failed.

Sadly I received no direct answer.
 
MetalMickie said:
I did not feel it necessary to provide anything substantial in my initial post #17449 as I merely asked a question as to did he think the UK's vaccine strategy had failed.

Sadly I received no direct answer.
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You did receive a direct answer.

Let me repeat, for clarity.

The rollout of the vaccination by the NHS has been fantastic. I have been a first hand recipient of it and was impressed. Getting huge numbers done so fast has made a clear difference and is to be be applauded. I have also been a supporter of PHE/NHS test and trace rather than Serco. I am a massive NHS supporter.

The strategy of ordering based heavily on UK production is a risky strategy and better balance could have been reached between reliable and dependable producers and parochial interests. AZ has already proven itself not to be such a producer. Further, the mRNAs are more reliable to make and can be more flexibly scaled, so are a safer bet. We should have ordered more of those.

So it is a simplistic question to ask if the strategy has failed - for a start, it isn't over yet - but in my opinion there were too many levers built in which could, or could have, made failure more likely. Making a bad decision and getting lucky and getting away with it is not good leadership.

Clear enough? Please feel free to challenge any elements of that.
 
MegaSteve said:
Perfectly understandable as there are several 'expert' opinions, to be found, suggesting it's the 'second class' option...
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? Dropped off MIL pressies, Missis T mentioned to her Sis we have had first jab. A fair bit of the conversation was around the vaccine causing “ blood clots”. I had to point out there had also been cases reported where the vaccine had also helped in some cancer cases. It seems folk are more interested the negative side of the vaccine rather than it saves lives.
 
Received 1st jab earlier, over at the Oxford footy stadium (Oxford AZ of course!).
Big operation, guess maybe 40+ people working in all. Booked on the site yesterday morning and there seemed loads of spare capacity, could have chosen loads of other hours & times - but did seem pretty busy when there so hard to judge what the max is.
As was discussed here, as long as no one deserving is missing out, then I feel we should do our bit to keep the throughput up by taking slots and increase the % population vaccinated.
 
Ethan said:
You did receive a direct answer.

Let me repeat, for clarity.

The rollout of the vaccination by the NHS has been fantastic. I have been a first hand recipient of it and was impressed. Getting huge numbers done so fast has made a clear difference and is to be be applauded. I have also been a supporter of PHE/NHS test and trace rather than Serco. I am a massive NHS supporter.

The strategy of ordering based heavily on UK production is a risky strategy and better balance could have been reached between reliable and dependable producers and parochial interests. AZ has already proven itself not to be such a producer. Further, the mRNAs are more reliable to make and can be more flexibly scaled, so are a safer bet. We should have ordered more of those.

So it is a simplistic question to ask if the strategy has failed - for a start, it isn't over yet - but in my opinion there were too many levers built in which could, or could have, made failure more likely. Making a bad decision and getting lucky and getting away with it is not good leadership.

Clear enough? Please feel free to challenge any elements of that.
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Useful hint to owners of dog with bone "Drop it"!
 
Tashyboy said:
? Dropped off MIL pressies, Missis T mentioned to her Sis we have had first jab. A fair bit of the conversation was around the vaccine causing “ blood clots”. I had to point out there had also been cases reported where the vaccine had also helped in some cancer cases. It seems folk are more interested the negative side of the vaccine rather than it saves lives.
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It almost certainly has no relationship to blood clots. Covid can cause blood clots, though. It is reasonable to suspend using a medicine briefly while looking into reports like this. It happens fairly often, just usually not on the front page of the papers.
 
Had mine a few weeks ago due to being at the doctors for an unrelated issue, coincided with the end of a vaccination session. Was offered it and took it. Early 30's and had a really sore arm for a week, chills and tiredness. Worth it (y)
 
4LEX said:
Had mine a few weeks ago due to being at the doctors for an unrelated issue, coincided with the end of a vaccination session. Was offered it and took it. Early 30's and had a really sore arm for a week, chills and tiredness. Worth it (y)
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Me and Missis T had it last night as did daughter. She’s a copper at work and the call went out that there’s vaccines left over so if there’s any bobbies anywhere near. Call in. So am as right as rain, Missis T has done nowt but sleep all day and has the chills, daughter is shattered.
 
Mrs BiM and I got jabbed on Friday, Oxford AZ; Mrs BiM sees to have suffered a bit of a gastric reaction, which we believe is what she suffered from when she caught Covid. I have nothing to report other than a sore arm at the injection site.

Nurse doing the jab said they have had a few suggesting they would have preferred the Pfizer, but no actual refusals. Whoever gave the analogy regarding the first lifeboat, it made her smile & may be used again.

The whole process took a little longer than suggested but was smooth & well organised. Well done the NHS and the volunteers. (y)
 
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