Swinglowandslow
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No doubt you have now seen post 16309. That seems clear to me.
A lawyer might say it isn't 'proof', but then again, I bet he wouldn't want a dose just to prove his assertion ?
Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?
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No doubt you have now seen post 16309. That seems clear to me.
A lawyer might say it isn't 'proof', but then again, I bet he wouldn't want a dose just to prove his assertion ?
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Plus as previously mentioned the connecting flight via somewhere in the common travel area meaning they can avoid hotel quarantine.
Leftitshort
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No you wouldn’t wish the serious side effects/symptoms on anyone. It’s probably a discussion for another day but I genuinely worry how we move on. We, as a society, have become paralysed by the fear not the reality. How do we get over this now we are so risk adverse?
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For a bit of clarity, my point is I don't care who goes on holiday. I don't care whether they're 20 or 40 or 70. I don't care when they go. And I don't care where they go. I genuinely don't care. All I care about is its done safely.
As for the "its not fair" brigade, do yourself a favour and grow up. The image you portray is of a petulant teenager stamping your foot.
Perfect answer.
Tashyboy
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Sometimes we only see what we have and not what we don’t have.
I spoke to a pal in Italy yesterday. She is nearly 70. I asked when she is due to have her vaccine. She started laughing and said
“ that’s a *** joke”. She went onto say that it’s pissed a fair few folk off where she lives ( north of Milan) to see how well the vaccine roll out is doing in the UK and not so well in Italy/ the EU.
Seems to me were not doing a bad job compared to others. I think a little more patience is required on our behalf before we can make decisions about “ laying up” or going for the green.
She also sent me a txt, her neighbour popped round this morning to tell her that she was talking to a nurse who looked after Alfredo, her husband. She remembered Alfredo well, so well that she and the rest of the staff were astonished that he had recovered from Covid. They said it was a miracle.
I spoke to a pal in Italy yesterday. She is nearly 70. I asked when she is due to have her vaccine. She started laughing and said
“ that’s a *** joke”. She went onto say that it’s pissed a fair few folk off where she lives ( north of Milan) to see how well the vaccine roll out is doing in the UK and not so well in Italy/ the EU.
Seems to me were not doing a bad job compared to others. I think a little more patience is required on our behalf before we can make decisions about “ laying up” or going for the green.
She also sent me a txt, her neighbour popped round this morning to tell her that she was talking to a nurse who looked after Alfredo, her husband. She remembered Alfredo well, so well that she and the rest of the staff were astonished that he had recovered from Covid. They said it was a miracle.
Leftitshort
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????so if we object to lockdown we’re selfish. If we point out hypocrisy we’re children. Carry on???
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You are not dealing with facts though, it’s all what ifs, none of us know what the future travel/holiday/tier system will be.
Leftitshort
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No I’m not dealing with facts. If this thread was about facts it would be about 2 pages long????. Just exploring the depth of some entitlement
Blue in Munich
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And them oldies going away now might provide enough income to keep the hotels & resorts going until the younger people can go. It can work both ways.
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People discussing who can or cannot go on holiday or return to normality sooner than others is pure speculation.
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Until every single person in the UK has been vaccinated we should stay put.
Once that is done, a discussion is needed if its time for everyone to wear helmets when leaving the home.
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road2ruin
Q-School Graduate
We must be getting closer to some positive news, some potential relaxing of restrictions as it is now being reported that there is a new scary, mutation!! We now have a Nigerian variant!! Apparently another than is (potentially) more resilient to the vaccines.
Leftitshort
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gonna go for a full sumo suit. You can’t be too careful.
DanFST
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The hypocrisy. If an age discriminatory approach is taken now on what you can/can't do. Compliance if the brown hits the fan will be almost non existent in those not at high risk.
The facts are:
- Under 40's would be HIGHLY unlikely to die from covid. 709 under 40's have died with deaths involving covid since the the start of 2020. Bare in mind 1700+ die in road traffic accidents in the UK a year.
- Under 40's are HIGHLY unlikely to be hospitalised, causing strain on the NHS. But young people have died and had there lives impacted due to hospitals being unable to function due to those more at risk straining the system.
- Under 45's have been financially and psychologically damaged disproportionality. Study here.
- Someone in the high risk groups is still FAR more likely to be hospitalised or die related to covid after being vaccinated compared to an under 40.
- We are last in line to receive the vaccine.
Yes there is the effects of Long term covid as Ethan says, but it's unknown at the moment. And it applies to all, even those vaccinated. I don't think anyone should be going anywhere until everyone is vaccinated and we have a better idea how it works.
Hopefully you meant until everyone is offered one. Otherwise there will be that one guy filibusting and refusing! The rest of the UK with passports in hand
Leftitshort
Well-known member
Agreed. As is 90% of this forum. If you wanted facts, it would be @Ethan in an echo chamberPeople discussing who can or cannot go on holiday or return to normality sooner than others is pure speculation.
road2ruin
Q-School Graduate
The hypocrisy!! All we've heard over the last 12 months is how the young have to protect the old and the vulnerable and now those with a sniff of a vaccine want the freedoms that could be afforded with it! I assume you'll remember that should be have to go back into lockdown where the young refuse based on the actions of the older generation?! There has to be a level playing field otherwise how can you expect people to follow any further guidance. Also, if you do start to allow those with vaccine passports more freedom all you are doing is encouraging a black market to spring up.
GB72
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My concern would be actual civil unrest. We saw all of the food and toilet roll hoarders in lockdown one. can you imagine how people with that selfish mentality would react if you suddenly said that those who had been vaccinated were allowed additional freedoms. You would have mobs outside the vaccination stations and call after call to GP surgeries from these people demanding a jab so as they can have their 2 weeks abroad. People are currently being very patient and respecting the order in which people are being vaccinated, that could quickly go out the window.
ger147
Tour Winner
The whole issue of vaccine passports/certificates, whether they will be required and whether foreign travel will be allowed off the back of it etc. is something largely beyond the control of the UK government. What Spain, Portugal, Italy etc. decide to implement re. whether they allow foreign visitors or not, from which countries, if evidence of a vaccine is required etc. is a matter for those countries to decide for themselves. If they decide to only allow UK visitors who can provide evidence of a Covid-19 vaccine, I'm not sure what a protest march to Trafalgar Square would achieve.
SaintHacker
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People are assuming we can't unlock fully until the whole population has been vaccd but that isn't true. Chris Whitty himself said once we get to rougly 50% of the adult population we've won (assuming no nasty resistant variants pop up), so once we hit that figure there's no reason for having restriction differences in vaccinated/ non vaccinated people
road2ruin
Q-School Graduate
For me there is a difference between an international vaccine passport and a national one. An international one is almost certain to be needed as other countries will demand it, I don't think anyone is arguing against that. The ill feeling will be if suddenly bars/pubs etc are opened up to those with one whilst those who cannot get one are told they cannot enter. That is where the problems will start.