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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

There probably is a difference between neighbours that are just talking only 1.50 apart from each other or the rule of 6 being bent because there is an extra baby in a buggy to 30 people having a piss up, ... .

I will ask my East German relatives how to behave properly.
 
SocketRocket said:
Oh,I see. That nosey thing about maintaining law and order. OK.

Don't know about you but if I see someone seriously breaking the Covid laws then I have no problem with reporting it. You however appear to have different values.
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Depends on how much of the situation you know before you stick your size 10s in and annoy people you might need help from one day

Wife's friend is a police officer, her mum got reported for having them round. Could have got her in trouble. First of all they are a support bubble due to child under 1

But her mum was so hurt as the details the police knew meant it was someone she knew reported her .. all the road know each other..just causes tension
 
larmen said:
There probably is a difference between neighbours that are just talking only 1.50 apart from each other or the rule of 6 being bent because there is an extra baby in a buggy to 30 people having a piss up, ... .

I will ask my East German relatives how to behave properly.
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We had 7 all time (was in support bubble) but 2 under 3 month olds in a buggy hardly smashing it
 
pauljames87 said:
Depends on how much of the situation you know before you stick your size 10s in and annoy people you might need help from one day

Wife's friend is a police officer, her mum got reported for having them round. Could have got her in trouble. First of all they are a support bubble due to child under 1

But her mum was so hurt as the details the police knew meant it was someone she knew reported her .. all the road know each other..just causes tension
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Try reading what I've posted. I've clarified what I consider a serious breach of the rules.
 
SocketRocket said:
Try reading what I've posted. I've clarified what I consider a serious breach of the rules.
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If you are at home following the rules you won't notice much rule breaking.

Nobody is going to be obviously breaking it ..
 
pauljames87 said:
If you are at home following the rules you won't notice much rule breaking.

Nobody is going to be obviously breaking it ..
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Really! It's not hard to notice a large party next door or over the road is it. To organise a large gathering like a rave you need to advertise it and we have seen them being closed down.
You appear to be trying to defend the undefendable.
 
DanFST said:
@Ethan will know more and be able to explain it like I'm 5. Why are we still locked down if that's that's the case? Especially with the majority of those most at risk vaccinated?

Borders aren't shutting, so there is no chance to neutralise it.
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Surely the time to consider easing restrictions is when hospitals are not filled with Covid patients, death rates have fallen to normal levels, infection rates have fallen to rates that show the virus is under control and it's safe to see that opening things up isn't going to create another surge and lockdown. Yes, vaccinations will help but surely it's far too early for us to relax measures.
 
DanFST said:
@Ethan will know more and be able to explain it like I'm 5. Why are we still locked down if that's that's the case? Especially with the majority of those most at risk vaccinated?

Borders aren't shutting, so there is no chance to neutralise it.
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Because R is not really a very informative number. If there was 1 case in the country and he gave it to 4 others, the R would be 4, but for the time being unless you lived near that guy, you are safe enough. If there are 50,000 cases and the R is 1.05, we have a bigger problem.

The majority of those at the highest risk are vaccinated, but there is still plenty of risk to go around, and anyway the highest risk are not those who spread it the most, so it'll be a while yet. I think we need to get through all 9 top groups before we can really start to relax.
 
SocketRocket said:
To clarify, you are defending serious breaking of Covid rules. Unbelievable!

Regarding your childish insult, I expect nothing less from you.
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Let's bring it back on track. The hypocrisy slightly irks me, i'm sure every rational person isn't advocating raves and orgies. But I'm not sure one can complain about people "seriously" breaking the rules, but allow minor breaks.

To my original point. people of all ages are breaking the rules, even if you define it as minor. We have most of the section of society that were taking up hospital beds vaccinated.

Do we trust the vaccine or not? What is the way out of this? I've followed the rules completely and been alone since just before Christmas. I've lost a friend because of lockdown. The mental health crisis is going to be massive.
 
With regards the lifting there will always be a balance between the health vs the social/economic impact. Read this today which was written by a virologist back in March who wanted to remain anonymous. Obviously it’s a generalisation and might have to be taken with a pinch of salt given it is anonymous however having listen to some of the stories coming from those pushing for extended restrictions it does sound true....

“My concern is that they will give medical scientists control. You have to understand that medical scientists are well meaning but they have no concept of real life. They don’t socialise, they are obsessed with germs, they think the world lives a grossly unhealthy lifestyle, they don’t think people should be in large groups ever. If a kid at their kid’s school has a cold, they keep their own kid off school for two weeks. So, if you let medical scientists have control, they will shut this country down for two years. It’s just in their nature. They won’t understand the problems that go with that thus they will carry on regardless.”
 
Ethan said:
Because R is not really a very informative number. If there was 1 case in the country and he gave it to 4 others, the R would be 4, but for the time being unless you lived near that guy, you are safe enough. If there are 50,000 cases and the R is 1.05, we have a bigger problem.

The majority of those at the highest risk are vaccinated, but there is still plenty of risk to go around, and anyway the highest risk are not those who spread it the most, so it'll be a while yet. I think we need to get through all 9 top groups before we can really start to relax.
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What ultimately is the goal? From a medical perspective. I bought into protecting the NHS. Hopefully going forward the groups taking reprasetatively the most hospital space are protected.


The goal can't be to eliminate spread right? Borders are open, I can get back from Brazil, still. This will happen again.
 
DanFST said:
Problem is, what do you determine as "seriously breaking", have you hand on heart obeyed all guidelines to the letter?

I have no problem people reporting. But you'd have to be in an idiot to get caught. There are infinite loopholes if laws are as they were. The vast majority of people acted in good faith previously, but if we are in lockdown/heavy regs after this time, many young will definitely push the boundries.

I think I probably will join them, I've obeyed to the letter as yet. But after a year I think I've had enough.
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Then you will be part of the reason why we are having lockdowns.
 
DanFST said:
Let's bring it back on track. The hypocrisy slightly irks me, i'm sure every rational person isn't advocating raves and orgies. But I'm not sure one can complain about people "seriously" breaking the rules, but allow minor breaks.

To my original point. people of all ages are breaking the rules, even if you define it as minor. We have most of the section of society that were taking up hospital beds vaccinated.

Do we trust the vaccine or not? What is the way out of this? I've followed the rules completely and been alone since just before Christmas. I've lost a friend because of lockdown. The mental health crisis is going to be massive.
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I'm sorry to hear that you've lost a friend, truly I am, but lockdowns are done to prevent thousands of others losing their friends.
 
DanFST said:
We've had a year of lockdowns and I've followed the guidelines meticulously. Might as well not be alone for another year and try and enjoy myself.
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Then crack on along with all the other selfish fools.
I hope you don't catch it ................................ because you'll probably spread it and we may go in to another lockdown.
Well, those that adhere to them may.
 
DanFST said:
We've had a year of lockdowns and I've followed the guidelines meticulously. Might as well not be alone for another year and try and enjoy myself.
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You won’t be alone for long, just over one more week and we’ll have some idea of the route out, it’s not easy for anyone, but we/you can do it, I’m convinced we’ll start to see the rules easing and a return to normality from March, it won’t be quick, it’ll be slow, but it’ll be worth it.

Keep going mate.(y)
 
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