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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

GB72 said:
Agree with that and I am actually supportive of the idea of those with greatest exposure being higher up the vaccine list. I think the basic though is that you are just asking for trouble if you grant additional freedoms to those who have been vaccinated months before many will get the chance.
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I agree with your last sentence.
But I think the vaccination "order" was based on who was most dying and seriously ill than on who is likely to more easily catch it, and thus spread it more rapidly., the latter, for example, being Ethan's ambulance driver.

Very difficult choices to be made: imagine care homes being well down the list.
 
drdel said:
The vaccination programme is primarily about managing ÑHS capacity to treat those at risk of serious illness.
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Well, the order of vaccination is, yes. But the overall aim is to get the population as a whole resistant to the disease.
That is why enough vaccine for the whole country has been ordered, and why all will be offered it.
 
Old Skier said:
No deflection, Hancock booked it months ago not yesterday its just that some idiots want to use it as a headline.
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It’s not the headline though is it, it’s the mixed messages that are coming out in the space of a few hours.

I’m not sure the “idiots” are the ones writing the headlines or the ones giving them the opportunity.:unsure:
 
Old Skier said:
Hundreds of those who volunteered at the beginning of lock down one have already been trained up for vaccinating people and are now doing it and many of us are doing the stewarding. The governance and due diligence had already been carried out back last year.
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Not saying it hasn't. Just pointing out that signing up to give vaccinations and being trained and cleared to give them isn't quite as simple as it might seem.
 
Old Skier said:
As at the moment it is concern amongst a very elderly ethnic group who may or may not have a good understanding of the English language I for one don’t put them in the anti vaxxer group if, when it comes to younger members of the ethnic groups acting the same way when it’s their turn I would reconsider my views on the matter.

Whilst we live in a country where freedom of choice is a way of life it’s not for you, or me, to condemn anyone until we have the full facts on why this might be happening.
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Surely a way to educate them is to make it clear in whatever language they understand what the alternative is if they refuse the vaccination.

It also seems to be not only elderly in the ethnic group not taking up their vaccination offers, there are quite low numbers in care home staff.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/12/near...ff-may-refuse-to-take-covid-vaccine-13743538/

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/01/half-of-care-home-staff-at-uks-largest-provider
 
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pauldj42 said:
It’s not the headline though is it, it’s the mixed messages that are coming out in the space of a few hours.

I’m not sure the “idiots” are the ones writing the headlines or the ones giving them the opportunity.:unsure:
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If it was a case of one minister saying “Don’t book a summer holiday” and another minister saying “I booked my holiday today” then I can see where the mixed messages are coming from but as it isn’t the idiots are those that try to make a non point.
 
Ethan said:
Just to point out what may be seen to be pedantic, but the most at risk are not necessarily the oldest. Risk is a combination of personal susceptibility and exposure. Older people have an increased susceptibility, for sure, but not necessarily the greatest exposure. A middle aged ambulance driver has lower personal susceptibility but might higher exposure. And we also know than men have a higher susepcptibility than women, approx 5 years of risk, and BAME more than white, of a similar magnitude. A proper risk-based approach would put men and BAME into one risk category higher, and male BAME two. Equally, clinically extremely vulnerable is not a homogeneous category either, with a fair range of risk across those in that category. The JCVI prioritisation was really about administrative simplicity with a veneer of risk-based.
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Here in Spain the schedule for who should be vaccinated is; currently, residents in Care Homes and those that work in them. Then those in the community over 70 years of age and healthcare workers, Police, Fire brigades and teachers - think this group is about to start. Then the over 55's to start in late April.
 
Old Skier said:
If it was a case of one minister saying “Don’t book a summer holiday” and another minister saying “I booked my holiday today” then I can see where the mixed messages are coming from but as it isn’t the idiots are those that try to make a non point.
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The situation has changed and evolves constantly, the latest info is, it’s maybe too soon or don’t book a domestic holiday.
Not, “ooh look how clever I am, I booked mine months ago”

Not a very joined up picture, but then it never will be when people keep blaming the media.
 
Old Skier said:
Asked a question and answered, I’m not blaming the media, they are paid to make a story out of nothing, it’s the only way they can justify 24 hr news.
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Is it really a nothing story when questions are asked on Government Briefing las night, TV & Radio today, and also makes the front pages of Sky/BBC/ITV news pages.

Questions being asked by Tourism Bodies, Politicians on all sides of the Political spectrum, all seeking clarity.

Seems to be only a non story by those not realising the impact it has on the livelihoods of normal people.
 
MetalMickie said:
But that was not what Hancock said.

His point was that he had booked it some time ago and hoped that it would still be possible.

Not exactly as presented by the media.
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There is a mixed message out there, how does his answer do anything for what the PM and Shapps said? Him booking a holiday is irrelevant to the current advice.

Surely he’d of been better off saying the situation has/is changing and people should listen to current advice, not deflect on to the headline writers, they haven’t caused the confusion.
 
GB72 said:
Honestly, yes. One of the purposes of lockdown, which has kept us at home on and off for a year, has been to protect the more at risk people who have, quite rightly, been the first to get the vaccine. If the response was then 'I'm alright Jack, I had my vaccine so I am off to the Costas, thanks for protecting me now I am off to have some fun whilst you are stuck indoors' I would be seriously hacked off. In my mind, if vaccination is a requirement then nobody travels abroad on holiday until everyone has been offered the jab.

You suddenly give extra freedoms to those who lockdown was meant to protect and compliance with lockdown will end.
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Alternatively you could view it that those who have been vaccinated are probably nearer end of life so are taking a last chance to have a holiday, but more importantly the cash flow they generate might just keep businesses afloat. If we wait until everyone has had a jab before creating a mad rush for holidays, how many places will have gone bust & how many people will be disappointed because the demand for holidays far outstrips supply?
 
pauldj42 said:
There is a mixed message out there, how does his answer do anything for what the PM and Shapps said? Him booking a holiday is irrelevant to the current advice.

Surely he’d of been better off saying the situation has/is changing and people should listen to current advice, not deflect on to the headline writers, they haven’t caused the confusion.
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Hancock did not say that his actions reflect the current situation and guidelines.

Like some on this very forum he booked a holiday for the forthcoming summer at a time when the guidelines were different.

He hopes that the situation may have improved sufficiently for him to be able to fulfil that booking.

I don't think that is too hard for people to understand.
 
MetalMickie said:
Hancock did not say that his actions reflect the current situation and guidelines.

Like some on this very forum he booked a holiday for the forthcoming summer at a time when the guidelines were different.

He hopes that the situation may have improved sufficiently for him to be able to fulfil that booking.

I don't think that is too hard for people to understand.
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So should people go ahead and book a holiday now in the same hope?
 
pauldj42 said:
So should people go ahead and book a holiday now in the same hope?
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It seems they already have as bookings down here are up 80%. Surly it’s a risk assessment exercise, if you want to take the risk and the booking has the right cancellation policy it’s up to you.

Ive got HID cleaning my clubs but doesn’t mean I’m going to be allowed to use them.
 
Old Skier said:
It seems they already have as bookings down here are up 80%. Surly it’s a risk assessment exercise, if you want to take the risk and the booking has the right cancellation policy it’s up to you.

Ive got HID cleaning my clubs but doesn’t mean I’m going to be allowed to use them.
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Where do you find these women and does she have a sister?
 
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