Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[rudebhoy]

How did that go in places like Spain, don't believe their figures are great ?

If you believe in lockdowns then what we need is people being arrested or wondering if they disappear afterwards and a complete proper lockdown of everything, if you want to control a virus. Virus are viruses and they are going to do what they do, infect things.

Most of the people I know who have caught the virus (probably over 30plus people), have caught it via work or care/hospitals...…….that is why only complete lockdowns work, you need to lock down basically everything.

Spain's overall figures are roughly comparable to ours, where the fines helped was to slow down and smooth the number of cases just when their hospitals were getting overrun.

The point I was trying to make was there is a significant percentage who will flout the rules if they know there is no punishment. And that percentage is going to be higher this year compared to last spring as the fear factor has diminished (rightly or wrongly) particularly among the young.

 

[BubbaP]

How did that go in places like Spain, don't believe their figures are great ?

If you believe in lockdowns then what we need is people being arrested or wondering if they disappear afterwards and a complete proper lockdown of everything, if you want to control a virus. Virus are viruses and they are going to do what they do, infect things.

Most of the people I know who have caught the virus (probably over 30plus people), have caught it via work or care/hospitals...…….that is why only complete lockdowns work, you need to lock down basically everything.

Acknowledging we are just chucking thoughts around and how stats can be used in different ways, it was noticeable to me that in the last couple of days the UK went above Spain the the table no-one wants to be top of (deaths per population). Had been below ever since it existed and for a long time a decent way behind, until winter. So you could conclude they've done well the last couple of months.

On a related note, has anyone heard from @Hobbit recently? ?

 

[williamalex1]

Acknowledging we are just chucking thoughts around and how stats can be used in different ways, it was noticeable to me that in the last couple of days the UK went above Spain the the table no-one wants to be top of (deaths per population). Had been below ever since it existed and for a long time a decent way behind, until winter. So you could conclude they've done well the last couple of months.

On a related note, has anyone heard from @Hobbit recently? ?

Moving house, probably no internet yet

 

[Imurg]

Acknowledging we are just chucking thoughts around and how stats can be used in different ways, it was noticeable to me that in the last couple of days the UK went above Spain the the table no-one wants to be top of (deaths per population). Had been below ever since it existed and for a long time a decent way behind, until winter. So you could conclude they've done well the last couple of months.

On a related note, has anyone heard from @Hobbit recently? ?

I don't know for certain (Brian would I suspect) but Spain don't seem to be reporting everything.
15k cases and 148 deaths on 31st/12
Next report is 9k cases and 61 deaths yesterday....so nothing happened 1st, 2nd and 3rd?
Numbers seem to be reported differently in many countries and I'm not convinced comparing ours to anyone elses proves much.

 

[Imurg]

Brian was last on at 7.45 this morning..?

 

[BubbaP]

I don't know for certain (Brian would I suspect) but Spain don't seem to be reporting everything.
15k cases and 148 deaths on 31st/12
Next report is 9k cases and 61 deaths yesterday....so nothing happened 1st, 2nd and 3rd?
Numbers seem to be reported differently in many countries and I'm not convinced comparing ours to anyone elses proves much.

Partly agree, but Spain have been following this reporting pattern for a long time. They may still chuck in a big "catch up" number but it didn't arrive yesterday.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Acknowledging we are just chucking thoughts around and how stats can be used in different ways, it was noticeable to me that in the last couple of days the UK went above Spain the the table no-one wants to be top of (deaths per population). Had been below ever since it existed and for a long time a decent way behind, until winter. So you could conclude they've done well the last couple of months.

On a related note, has anyone heard from @Hobbit recently? ?

I think comparing deaths or cases is always slightly misleading, due to different testing and recording requirements between countries and different points we are in the pandemic(are we ahead due to B.1.1.7?).

In respect of deaths, maybe at this early stage excess deaths is probably the most comparable, giving reporting definitions




I know the above doesn't go right upto date, but the +24% for Spain and +18% for UK, is maybe more comparable.

The previous post I made that you quoted (and moved onto deaths ), was trying to say, that just issuing fines and a semi lockdown is not going to stop the virus spread. China sold lockdowns to the world ((WHO never recommended it going back for example), China got the lockdown nearer right, many other countries have played at lockdowns and the results across the board are all fairly poor, once the virus has spread. I would not lockdown like Spain or UK has, I would lockdown like China did (if you can in a country like the UK).

 

[bobmac]

Well with that response. u must be in pain?

It's more of a discomfort than pain unless the sharp edge digs into my cheek

Bob try a temporary filling, from a pharmacy.

I had no idea such a thing existed.
Research to be done, thanks William

 

[garyinderry]

It's more of a discomfort than pain unless the sharp edge digs into my cheek



I had no idea such a thing existed.
Research to be done, thanks William

Its useless bob. Well it was for me.


Pester the dentist and they can pop in a temporary filling which can last years.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Don't dispute any of that and must have read a similar piece over israel, but we can do much much better. I just wish to see the UK to push forward and not hold any supplies, holding stocks are a delay in this urgent fight.

France, read they are much more anti-vaccines than us, last I saw they were around 300-400, how is that so low

Shame as its kind of what a waste of early vaccine supplies, when people are dying, losing they jobs, losing their businesses, dying from cancer, not going to A&E for heart attacks and so on.

I cannot fault your sense of urgency, but you must be aware that logistical problems will come with this vast enterprise. It is vital that records are made of who is vaccinated. I'm not advocating giving Mr Bureaucracy a field day, but things have to be orderly. Just telling people over 80(70, or whatever) to turn up at a car park and queue ain't going to work.
Not without parking attendants with shotguns ?
As I see it , each surgery will make its priority list from its patients, and offer appointment times for patients to attend venues similar to large halls, etc.
In one end, go to one of several "jabbing points", and out the other.
They did that at my surgery with the flu jab, and it was successful.
AND they were catering for all over 65. This time the categories will be tighter, so it should be a bit easier.
There will have been a fair bit of planning gone into this, after all, there has been quite a lot of notice.
We can only rely on the NHS managers getting it right.

 

[pokerjoke]

Not reading any previous posts so someone might have already said this.

One thing I noticed this morning whilst picking up my glasses was how quiet it was in the high street.
How can these businesses unless on line continue to operate,it’s pretty heartbreaking to see.
Some people must be in such financial strife and their stress levels must be sky high.

Also recently when out with my son who was running it was heaving with people,the car park was rammed.
It’s never rammed even in the summer.
I know we have been told to stay at home unless exercising and we all need fresh air,but it seems more and more are getting out for hours at a time.
This vaccine has to work without fail

 

[Ethan]

And for Elite sport to shut down as well.....thinking specifically of Premier League football

The manager of Sheffield United strongly supports this idea.

 

[GB72]

The manager of Sheffield United strongly supports this idea.

Not sure that Sheffield United have started the season yet let alone wanting a shut down.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The manager of Sheffield United strongly supports this idea.

Imagine that - the team that’s struggling tbe most wanting a stop , I’m surprised West Brom manager hasn’t followed the same path - oh he already has

Let’s be honest the managers/teams will only look after their own interests in the same way OGS said there is no reason to stop

 

[Old Skier]

It's more of a discomfort than pain unless the sharp edge digs into my cheek



I had no idea such a thing existed.
Research to be done, thanks William

Where’s the old Swan Vesta matches when you need them. Became a vital bit of kit when your in the middle of nowhere

 

[road2ruin]

So tomorrow is the first day of school and we've just had our link to the Google Classroom which they are using. This has caused a fair amount of anger within the WhatsApp group as essentially the teacher uploads a load of work the day before and it is up to the children to work through them the next day. The issue is that we're talking 6/7yr olds who can't actually do that alone and so it will require an adult being with them pretty much all day. There is one Zoom period which is first thing, basically registration then it's a case of going for it and uploading the work done. The feeling is that this is no better than the teaching we had during the first lockdown however at least then there was the excuse that it was completely out of the blue and no school could have been prepared. All I have seen are teachers saying how hard it all is and that whilst they were not going into school to teach they would be working just as hard but at home however in this instance it is uploading the work plan, doing a registration followed by not a lot!!

A number of the parents have called the school to ask what is going on, why are there no live lessons over Zoom etc only to be told that they can't do that as it's not fair on those that don't have the technology. That is a very fair point if they had taken the time to ask the parents what technology their student would have access to however they haven't, they have just based it on the worst case. I should add, this is an infant school with only a single year intake so we're talking about 26 students in a year!! This means that to ensure they don't disadvantage those who have no/limited access to technology (they haven't checked on those) they are disadvantaging those who have single parents/full time working parents instead.

Just to add, I know that this isn't going to be the case in every school and will not be every teacher however I do suspect that this lockdown will show the difference in teacher quality/attitudes with those who are genuinely keen and have the capacity to teach versus those that will play the system and re-hash the work from last lockdown.

 

[larmen]

Imagine that - the team that’s struggling tbe most wanting a stop , I’m surprised West Brom manager hasn’t followed the same path - oh he already has

Let’s be honest the managers/teams will only look after their own interests in the same way OGS said there is no reason to stop

Last year in Germany my team ws rock bottom at shut down. I was hoping they don't restart but we did, and we actually managed to get the points we needed to stay up, against all odds. The manager was saying all the time we want to complete teh season, and it turns out he was right, by 1 goal in a game we didn't even play ;-)


Just been to the dentist with the little one and that got me thinking. You have medical trained personal which SHOULD see all adult residents within 6 months tops anyway. There seem to be scope for a vaccination chain right there?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So tomorrow is the first day of school and we've just had our link to the Google Classroom which they are using. This has caused a fair amount of anger within the WhatsApp group as essentially the teacher uploads a load of work the day before and it is up to the children to work through them the next day. The issue is that we're talking 6/7yr olds who can't actually do that alone and so it will require an adult being with them pretty much all day. There is one Zoom period which is first thing, basically registration then it's a case of going for it and uploading the work done. The feeling is that this is no better than the teaching we had during the first lockdown however at least then there was the excuse that it was completely out of the blue and no school could have been prepared. All I have seen are teachers saying how hard it all is and that whilst they were not going into school to teach they would be working just as hard but at home however in this instance it is uploading the work plan, doing a registration followed by not a lot!!

A number of the parents have called the school to ask what is going on, why are there no live lessons over Zoom etc only to be told that they can't do that as it's not fair on those that don't have the technology. That is a very fair point if they had taken the time to ask the parents what technology their student would have access to however they haven't, they have just based it on the worst case. I should add, this is an infant school with only a single year intake so we're talking about 26 students in a year!! This means that to ensure they don't disadvantage those who have no/limited access to technology (they haven't checked on those) they are disadvantaging those who have single parents/full time working parents instead.

Just to add, I know that this isn't going to be the case in every school and will not be every teacher however I do suspect that this lockdown will show the difference in teacher quality/attitudes with those who are genuinely keen and have the capacity to teach versus those that will play the system and re-hash the work from last lockdown.

Surely some of the teachers(no idea how many) will also be in school teaching those kids from key worker families.
Therefore there may not be enough teachers to cover classes and home schooling.

No idea if this is in every school, but is certainly the case in a couple of schools I know of up here in the NE.

 

[road2ruin]

Surely some of the teachers(no idea how many) will also be in school teaching those kids from key worker families.
Therefore there may not be enough teachers to cover classes and home schooling.

No idea if this is in every school, but is certainly the case in a couple of schools I know of up here in the NE.

Not in our school, it only has 3 years (85 children) and assuming the same level of key worker children that was 7 during lockdown 1.0 so was managed by support staff. We were hoping/expecting that this time round, whilst it definitely couldn't be the same as a normal school day there would have been more (remote) F2F contact. One of the other schools locally is doing 4 hours on Zoom per day which is very much what I think all schools should be doing assuming they don't have staffing issues. Again, it just turns into a bit of a lottery over the next 8-10 weeks or so.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

If your interested about mutant viruses, an interesting twitter account and worth saving to read their work. The most recent results over the south Africa and other mutations, some good and not so good news :-

Bloom Lab on Twitter: "We mapped how all mutations to #SARSCoV2 receptor-binding domain (RBD) affect recognition by convalescent polyclonal human sera (https://t.co/fCJvAnXhs8). Among implications: E484K (South African lineage) worrying for immune escape; RBD mutations in UK lineage less so (1/n)." / Twitter

their stuff ont he common cold coron virus is a good read.