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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

GreiginFife said:
Lets start by calling an apple an apple. We talk about lockdown this, lockdown that. But it's not a lockdown if there are any "except for..." ANY, even one "Except for". And we have many.

We are living under severe restrictions but we are not "locked down". That in itself could be seen as a positive.

As you may note, the very word "Lockdown" has caused a random irritation for me (wrong thread I know).
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There does seem to be far too many ‘exceptions’ for people to cling to or areas they can push boundaries on. I read that in England there are now only 5 acceptable reasons to leave the house. And I don’t think there is enough focus/prominence being given to these in the online media I’m reading

The message should be loud and clear, if its not one of these 5 things then you must stay at home. No ifs or buts. And implement a 24 hour curfew around these 5 things with roadblocks and foot patrols in shopping/public areas to do stop checks
 
SteveW86 said:
For everyone to buy into this lockdown, everyone should be treated the same and unfortunately this should mean churches close too.
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road2ruin said:
I’m against lockdowns however we’re now in one and if it has to be that way then at least do it properly. No golf, no churches, no takeaway coffee from Costa. Yes there are discussions about the mental/health benefits of the various activities and probs my most are valid however it must be a level playing field for all. If we’re all suffering through this then we all have to give these things up.
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And for Elite sport to shut down as well.....thinking specifically of Premier League football
 
woofers said:
And for Elite sport to shut down as well.....thinking specifically of Premier League football
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Watching elite sport gives people a release from the monotony of lockdown. You are also viewing this as a hobby for them, it is not, it is their job. They are just doing their job, the same as many others.

I hope they keep on playing.
 
I hope the press and everyone uses as much force as possible, to hold the vaccination program to account. As they need to go faster than warp speed now.

At the end of each day we should have used everything, having stuff on shelves should not be when demand outstrips supply, just like when toilet rolls are in demand. :ROFLMAO:


Israel continues to march on, going to be interesting the results in the next couple of weeks/month(ie. hospital admissions numbers etc).

They have done 55% of 60+ year olds, amazing (y)

Eran Segal on Twitter: "Israel: 1.2 million vaccinated (14% of pop) Daily rate: 150K (1.7% of pop) ~55% of all 60+ years old vaccinated But vaccines may run out in a week First signs of the vaccine working may be a few days away, with a drop in percent of 60+ years old out of the critically ill https://t.co/OWkMnPKgyf" / Twitter

Get those drive though centres opened up and get the jabs flowing properly.:)
 
rudebhoy said:
what we need to see is people getting stopped and fined if they don't have a good reason for being out.
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How did that go in places like Spain, don't believe their figures are great ?

If you believe in lockdowns then what we need is people being arrested or wondering if they disappear afterwards and a complete proper lockdown of everything, if you want to control a virus. Virus are viruses and they are going to do what they do, infect things.

Most of the people I know who have caught the virus (probably over 30plus people), have caught it via work or care/hospitals...…….that is why only complete lockdowns work, you need to lock down basically everything.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Watching elite sport gives people a release from the monotony of lockdown. You are also viewing this as a hobby for them, it is not, it is their job. They are just doing their job, the same as many others.

I hope they keep on playing.
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I agree, it's a profession for them and for a lot of people it is a release so should be kept going. What I don't like is that there does seem to be double standards in terms of some teams getting games called off due to a virus outbreak and others being told they have to play. I am not going to pretend I know all the in's and out's of it however if your team has someone who has been infected with the virus then surely that points to a breach in your bubble which means you should be either forfeiting points or being made to play with a weakened side. Players should get a 3 game suspension for a breach and then a points deduction for the side if someone does it more than once. Maybe that would focus them a little more.
 
DRW said:
I hope the press and everyone uses as much force as possible, to hold the vaccination program to account. As they need to go faster than warp speed now.

At the end of each day we should have used everything, having stuff on shelves should not be when demand outstrips supply, just like when toilet rolls are in demand. :ROFLMAO:


Israel continues to march on, going to be interesting the results in the next couple of weeks/month(ie. hospital admissions numbers etc).

They have done 55% of 60+ year olds, amazing (y)

Eran Segal on Twitter: "Israel: 1.2 million vaccinated (14% of pop) Daily rate: 150K (1.7% of pop) ~55% of all 60+ years old vaccinated But vaccines may run out in a week First signs of the vaccine working may be a few days away, with a drop in percent of 60+ years old out of the critically ill https://t.co/OWkMnPKgyf" / Twitter

Get those drive though centres opened up and get the jabs flowing properly.:)
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Isnt Israel’s level of vaccines given the same as us ? They have done just over a million and so have we maybe a bit more - but their overall population significantly lower to percentage stats will obviously look a lot better
 
DRW said:
I hope the press and everyone uses as much force as possible, to hold the vaccination program to account. As they need to go faster than warp speed now.
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Unfortunately there already seem to be a number of stories coming out that the planned timings of the vaccination program are ambitious at best. I think it was mid-Feb given as being the point at which the first 4 groups of the most vulnerable would be done however a doctor speaking on the radio this morning said we were already well behind the rate and issues with supply/availability meant that it was almost certain to slip.
 
road2ruin said:
I agree, it's a profession for them and for a lot of people it is a release so should be kept going. What I don't like is that there does seem to be double standards in terms of some teams getting games called off due to a virus outbreak and others being told they have to play. I am not going to pretend I know all the in's and out's of it however if your team has someone who has been infected with the virus then surely that points to a breach in your bubble which means you should be either forfeiting points or being made to play with a weakened side. Players should get a 3 game suspension for a breach and then a points deduction for the side if someone does it more than once. Maybe that would focus them a little more.
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That is what is happening in rugby, there is a loss awarded to the side that cancels the match, a 0-0 score on the record so as to not overly influence points difference, 4 points to the winning side, 2 to the losing side.
 
road2ruin said:
Unfortunately there already seem to be a number of stories coming out that the planned timings of the vaccination program are ambitious at best. I think it was mid-Feb given as being the point at which the first 4 groups of the most vulnerable would be done however a doctor speaking on the radio this morning said we were already well behind the rate and issues with supply/availability meant that it was almost certain to slip.
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I thought it telling that in her statement to the Scottish Parliament the Scottish FM I think only mentioned one target date - that being a date in May for getting all over 50s; home residents; health and care workers; and vulnerable vaccinated. She may have mentioned earlier dates and I missed them. She was hopeful that she'd be able to bring that date forward if vaccinations went well - but the May target was based upon what she has been assured is definitely achievable - and wasn't going to give any 'with a fair wind' hopeful date for 'earlier'.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Isnt Israel’s level of vaccines given the same as us ? They have done just over a million and so have we maybe a bit more - but their overall population significantly lower to percentage stats will obviously look a lot better
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Feeble excuse (if you are using it as an excuse). We are much bigger than them and should be able to ramp up quickly (yeah a bigger country would normally lag a smaller country)

I wasn't looking to scoring points by saying Israel are better than us, that's not my style, maybe my post came across as wrong.

What I was saying was look at Israel and lets try to get to the same levels as them, as soon as possible and get the vaccine program properly flowing and using all the jabs available faster than we are currently.
 
DRW said:
Feeble excuse (if you are using it as an excuse). We are much bigger than them and should be able to ramp up quickly (yeah a bigger country would normally lag a smaller country)

I wasn't looking to scoring points by saying Israel are better than us, that's not my style, maybe my post came across as wrong.

What I was saying was look at Israel and lets try to get to the same levels as them, as soon as possible and get the vaccine program properly flowing and using all the jabs available faster than we are currently.
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Wasn’t looking for any excuse - it’s about not delving too much into the numbers and we can’t compare ourselves to different countries - there are many different factors at play

The initial vaccines were determined by how many doses were supplied to each country - it wasn’t a great amount of the Pfizer mainly because of the storage issues

But now we have the Oxford one the hope is for the rollout to be ramped up because of the level of doses and storage facilities are much more in our favour now.

Overall the UK will end up with over 120 million doses of the vaccine so we are all going to get it
 
road2ruin said:
Unfortunately there already seem to be a number of stories coming out that the planned timings of the vaccination program are ambitious at best. I think it was mid-Feb given as being the point at which the first 4 groups of the most vulnerable would be done however a doctor speaking on the radio this morning said we were already well behind the rate and issues with supply/availability meant that it was almost certain to slip.
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I hate excuses :oops:, what we need to do is hold all involved to account, to ensure performance matches supply, so no excess stocks are held.

We could easily do drive though centres, if you have 10,000 jabs in Birmingham , just get it out there that people over 80 report to X and the first 10,000 gets their first jab. Jab, record on computer, park up for half an hour, job done, next.(whilst also doing the people who can not get out, which will be slower progress)

Lockdowns do not come free, damage is being done. We need to get the jabs in peoples arms as quickly as possible.
 
DRW said:
Feeble excuse (if you are using it as an excuse). We are much bigger than them and should be able to ramp up quickly (yeah a bigger country would normally lag a smaller country)

I wasn't looking to scoring points by saying Israel are better than us, that's not my style, maybe my post came across as wrong.

What I was saying was look at Israel and lets try to get to the same levels as them, as soon as possible and get the vaccine program properly flowing and using all the jabs available faster than we are currently.
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I saaw a piece on Israel over the weekend. They will rattle through their program for a few reasons:

They paid 3 times the going rate to get vaccines in asap
Apparently they are used to doing mass immunisations (not sure why but that is what they said) This means the set up is a well oiled machine.
By law everyone has to be registered with a doctor. This makes it easy to contact people to arrange for jabs
The population is well concentrated in small areas (it is also 8.6m approx so far fewer to vaccinate)

Subtle differences but important. Hey, it could be worse, have you seen the numbers for France :eek:
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I saaw a piece on Israel over the weekend. They will rattle through their program for a few reasons:

They paid 3 times the going rate to get vaccines in asap
Apparently they are used to doing mass immunisations (not sure why but that is what they said) This means the set up is a well oiled machine.
By law everyone has to be registered with a doctor. This makes it easy to contact people to arrange for jabs
The population is well concentrated in small areas (it is also 8.6m approx so far fewer to vaccinate)

Subtle differences but important. Hey, it could be worse, have you seen the numbers for France :eek:
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Don't dispute any of that and must have read a similar piece over israel, but we can do much much better. I just wish to see the UK to push forward and not hold any supplies, holding stocks are a delay in this urgent fight.

France, read they are much more anti-vaccines than us, last I saw they were around 300-400, how is that so low o_O:eek:

Shame as its kind of what a waste of early vaccine supplies, when people are dying, losing they jobs, losing their businesses, dying from cancer, not going to A&E for heart attacks and so on.
 
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