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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

SwingsitlikeHogan said:
...and head of a teaching union earlier today tells us that they presented a 6-pt plan for managing schooling reopening safely back in June and got no reply from government. The plan covered recruiting additional teaching and TA staff and building and arranging additional accommodation as well as getting all the necessary tech to everyone.

Why did he mention that plan? Because he was asked by the interviewer what he’d now do to help get schools open - whenever that might be - he grimaced and answered that he’d work with government to implement the 6-pt plan - as they should have been doing from June - and as they still will if asked.

I think I hear the PM say that he was hoping that that would be after spring half term? So they have until 22nd Feb to get the schooling sorted for safe physical return. That’s probably time enough?
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I didn't hear anything about when schools would return etc. Everything was dependent on the way the figures and the virus plays out. Hoping a situation will come about is a million miles from saying it will, or intending to make it the case.
He said things like. ...If the vaccinations work out like we hope, ..... if the virus doesn't spread as we hope it won't etc. OWTTE
Surely by now we have learned that this is a very fluid situation, and that the final parameter is how well people respond to calls to make the virus stop spreading .
Even now , on here, there are some indicating that golf should be exempt, because they want to play golf, and consider it is completely safe.Their wants are driving their logic. Travelling to golf isn't essential, and playing ( unless on your own) does pose a risk if you are with others. It may have been negligible before ,but it seems that one inattentive moment where you might breath someone else's expelled air might just be enough for this new strain to infect? No one is sure that that is the case, but no one is sure it isn't the case either.
What is certain is , if you aren't with the other person, it won't happen.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I would genuinely be amazed if that was correct. Re-entry into China is very strict, isolation rigidly enforced upon return. Few Chinese are leaving their own provinces right now, never mind the country. I could well be wrong but I would not be surprised if this was a story started by rumour and wholly inaccurate.
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It will be absolute bs, rehashed from a 'i heard fro someone who knows someone who knows...'
I'm a member of a few coach driving groups on facebook. Any tour work is known about and talked about. THere are no tours going on, in fact operators have been told in no uncertain terms (from the traffic comissioner) the penalties they will face if they convey a tour, even with UK citizens on board.
 
road2ruin said:
I know this is political however given I highlighted her earlier with regards rule breaking....

COVID-19: MP Margaret Ferrier arrested and charged over 'reckless conduct' after alleged coronavirus rule breach
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This is going to be interesting to follow. Especially with the recent history of the Scottish prosecution service.

Charged by Scots police after English Police said she had not broken any laws.
Not Charged with Covid laws but by an obscure reckless law that can carry a life sentence.
Basically she has not done anything different to Prince Charles and Scottish Tory Secretary Alisdair Jack. ( other than to admit she was wrong and made a mistake.]
Marquis of Bute and 5 other passengers charged with lockdown laws when travelling from London to Bute.

Not defending her actions in any way but surely the law must be seen to be fair for all.
 
Crow said:
Purely out of interest (I'm nothing to do with the grammar police), how do you decide when to use "ave" and when to use "have"?
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Tashy's "Ave" is pretty much a corruption of "I have" or "I've" rather than a diminution of just "have". It's more a spoken dialect thing - Tashy is about the only person ave seen using it in text. (At school, they used to try to make us write proper)! If I was going to write it down in dialect, I'd more likely do it as "Ah've" or even more like""A've" - but I'm not saying Tashy's wrong.

Nb. I was born & raised within spitting distance of Tashy - but escaped.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
I didn't hear anything about when schools would return etc. Everything was dependent on the way the figures and the virus plays out. Hoping a situation will come about is a million miles from saying it will, or intending to make it the case.
He said things like. ...If the vaccinations work out like we hope, ..... if the virus doesn't spread as we hope it won't etc. OWTTE
Surely by now we have learned that this is a very fluid situation, and that the final parameter is how well people respond to calls to make the virus stop spreading .
Even now , on here, there are some indicating that golf should be exempt, because they want to play golf, and consider it is completely safe.Their wants are driving their logic. Travelling to golf isn't essential, and playing ( unless on your own) does pose a risk if you are with others. It may have been negligible before ,but it seems that one inattentive moment where you might breath someone else's expelled air might just be enough for this new strain to infect? No one is sure that that is the case, but no one is sure it isn't the case either.
What is certain is , if you aren't with the other person, it won't happen.
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Pretty sure after half term is the target and unions seem to have clarification from the Schools Minister that this years exams in their normal form will be cancelled. Think we are hearing more on that tomorrow from Williamson.
 
DanFST said:
It's the same as you can't catch Covid if you are eating. Covid can't strike if you exercise for no longer than 59 minutes.

Lets use some common sense, if someone wants to go for a walk for a day, let them.
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perhaps walks over an hour should only be permitted if you have a "substantial picknick"!
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Pretty sure after half term is the target and unions seem to have clarification from the Schools Minister that this years exams in their normal form will be cancelled. Think we are hearing more on that tomorrow from Williamson.
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Yes, after February half term was mentioned as being the aim. I feel that’s optimistic and we’re assuming it’ll be more like March so we don’t get hopes up.
 
Places of worship to remain open

Dannyc said:
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If it’s true and golf is shut that’s just ridiculous
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posted elsewhere...and not commenting on the rights or wrongs of it though in the form permitted churchgoing is not a bundle of laughs or in any way a form of recreation that most of us would recognise. My expectation was that they’d be closed.

The truth of it is that due to the demographic of regular church-goers many (if not most) churches have not been open for congregational worship as they recognise that many of their congregation will be elderly and vulnerable.

Where a church is open - doors are opened to create a through draught; the congregation is strictly socially distanced; is face-masked; do not mingle or socialise before or after a service; and do not sing. I wouldn’t worry too much about church congregations being a vector for transmission of the virus ?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Places of worship to remain open



posted elsewhere...and not commenting on the rights or wrongs of it though in the form permitted churchgoing is not a bundle of laughs or in any way a form of recreation that most of us would recognise. My expectation was that they’d be closed.

The truth of it is that due to the demographic of regular church-goers many (if not most) churches have not been open for congregational worship as they recognise that many of their congregation will be elderly and vulnerable.

Where a church is open - doors are opened to create a through draught; the congregation is strictly socially distanced; is face-masked; do not mingle or socialise before or after a service; and do not sing. I wouldn’t worry too much about church congregations being a vector for transmission of the virus ?
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For everyone to buy into this lockdown, everyone should be treated the same and unfortunately this should mean churches close too.

I in no way mean to brush off the importance of religion to those who believe in it, but is it not possible to pray at home?

And although you have said you aren’t commenting on the rights or wrong of them staying open, you then go on to try and justify why they are staying open.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Places of worship to remain open



posted elsewhere...and not commenting on the rights or wrongs of it though in the form permitted churchgoing is not a bundle of laughs or in any way a form of recreation that most of us would recognise. My expectation was that they’d be closed.

The truth of it is that due to the demographic of regular church-goers many (if not most) churches have not been open for congregational worship as they recognise that many of their congregation will be elderly and vulnerable.

Where a church is open - doors are opened to create a through draught; the congregation is strictly socially distanced; is face-masked; do not mingle or socialise before or after a service; and do not sing. I wouldn’t worry too much about church congregations being a vector for transmission of the virus ?
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Placating a certain part of the electorate important to the ruling party. I can't see how time spent God-bothering is safer than playing golf.
 
SteveW86 said:
For everyone to buy into this lockdown, everyone should be treated the same and unfortunately this should mean churches close too
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I’m against lockdowns however we’re now in one and if it has to be that way then at least do it properly. No golf, no churches, no takeaway coffee from Costa. Yes there are discussions about the mental/health benefits of the various activities and probs my most are valid however it must be a level playing field for all. If we’re all suffering through this then we all have to give these things up.
 
popped into the big tesco on my way home from golf yesterday and most of the shelves were empty, only went in for some milk, no Semi Skimmed at all only full fat.


that was only a couple of hours after the lock down announecment, i do hope it wasn't panic buying again
 
BiMGuy said:
It's madness that churches and garden centres will remain open. They will be full of the people we are locked down to try and protect ?
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Yup but they are also totally devoid of younglings (so there's much less chance of encountering a covid carrier) :sneaky:
 
BiMGuy said:
It's madness that churches and garden centres will remain open. They will be full of the people we are locked down to try and protect ?
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They aren’t going to be “full” though are they - the people we are trying to protect will be shielding , and the numbers going into both area just like shops etc will be controlled

There always has to be a line to draw and people always say this and that should be open or closed. But at the end of the day it comes down to the actions of us

If we want this to be the last lockdown we have then we just suck it up and battle through 6 weeks of no golf or pubs.
 
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