Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Deleted member 21784]

The infrastructure is playing catch up. Not sure the investments a pull factor, more reducing push.

I used to travel 2 stops/6 minutes from Bermondsey to the office, I moved next to the office because was so unreliable.

Also years of under investment on the tube is starting to show and needs urgent repair to be fit for standard in some areas .. meaning have to invest

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Crossfail is just ridiculous.. constant delays

But will see some real benefits once it

Who will see benefits? Mmm ?.

I don't dispute it will be good for those using it. It's just that others around the country would like their schemes given the green light as well. Who knows, they may not even spiral out of control if outside the capital ?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Who will see benefits? Mmm ?.

I don't dispute it will be good for those using it. It's just that others around the country would like their schemes given the green light as well. Who knows, they may not even spiral out of control if outside the capital ?

The east and west of country

Other parts do get projects like the stone henge tunnelling etc

Just if not London people don't focus on it

 

[Billysboots]

I think that the annoyance from my point of view, and I am trying to be practical not political, is that the new move has put parts of Essex and Kent in Tier 3, which is exactly what was not allowed in Lincolnshire. We are told that the tiers had to be on county lines and not on individual authorities but that is exactly the opposite to what has been applied in the South East. Maybe that will change with the announcements tomorrow.

Matt Hancock has pledged (apparently) to consider rural boroughs separately from cities in the same county during this week’s review. I’m in one such area, as is my golf club - Tier 3 despite an infection rate some way below the national average.

I’m approaching this review expecting no reprieve from Tier 3, so any relaxation for us will be a bonus.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

They haven't listened to science throughout this pandamic I very much doubt they will now

If they change now they now a lot of people won't listen anyways

People like yourself might change their mind as it stands so why the need to make themsleves unpopular?

Frankly, what amazes me is the number of people who will make some sort of socialising, knowing it is dangerous, because the rules allow it.
A lot of people have to take risks because of work, livelihood, care of others etc etc, but I am talking about the sort of interactions that have been mentioned here which are unnecessary ones.
If it is putting yourselves or others at unnecessary risk, why do it because it's hard. What the hell is harder than being dead!
Why is it impossible to give up this Christmas so that you and yours have future Christmases?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Frankly, what amazes me is the number of people who will make some sort of socialising, knowing it is dangerous, because the rules allow it.
A lot of people have to take risks because of work, livelihood, care of others etc etc, but I am talking about the sort of interactions that have been mentioned here which are necessary ones.
If it is putting yourselves or others at unnecessary risk, why do it because it's hard. What the hell is harder than being dead!
Why is it impossible to give up this Christmas so that you and yours have future Christmases?

I know we will but it is the same groups we see constantly due to support and childcare bubbles so it's the same risk as before

 

[GB72]

Frankly, what amazes me is the number of people who will make some sort of socialising, knowing it is dangerous, because the rules allow it.
A lot of people have to take risks because of work, livelihood, care of others etc etc, but I am talking about the sort of interactions that have been mentioned here which are necessary ones.
If it is putting yourselves or others at unnecessary risk, why do it because it's hard. What the hell is harder than being dead!
Why is it impossible to give up this Christmas so that you and yours have future Christmases?

Because some people are so in need of some form of social interaction that it is no Xmas that is important, just the need to spend time in the company of other human beings. I am finding it hard enough with no contact with anyone outside of work and my wife since mid October and so I hate to think how it will have impacted on people who are very much on their own. The ability to chat to people walking by when sat in the garden as was possible in the first lockdown is long gone and I will admit to struggling and so, yes, if permitted I will meet with people at Xmas.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

The east and west of country

Other parts do get projects like the stone henge tunnelling etc

Just if not London people don't focus on it

Surely you mean the east and west of the greater London area?

Can't see much benefit from CrossRail to the people of Devon or Norfolk.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Surely you mean the east and west of the greater London area?

Can't see much benefit from CrossRail to the people of Devon or Norfolk.

It's going to go to reading and shenfield (both out of London, however shenfield only just but shenfield has fast train links to Norfolk)

So could get only 2 trains from Norfolk to reading

 

[DanFST]

It's going to go to reading and shenfield (both out of London, however shenfield only just but shenfield has fast train links to Norfolk)

So could get only 2 trains from Norfolk to reading

Just over 2 hours from Norwich to Heathrow also.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Just over 2 hours from Norwich to Heathrow also.

Don't mention that, doesn't suit the narrative that investment in London only helps London ?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Don't mention that, doesn't suit the narrative that investment in London only helps London ?

Do you really believe that there will be anything like the level of demand from outside London to justify the massive difference in transport infrastructure spend from the taxpayer?

By far its main purpose is to serve commuters in London.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Do you really believe that there will be anything like the level of demand from outside London to justify the massive difference in transport infrastructure spend from the taxpayer?

By far its main purpose is to serve commuters in London.

So commuters in London.. do they live in London? No they don't

Anyone using mainline services to London don't live in London

For example today I'll use the example of my shift on

We had me from Havering . Greater London
One from Bedfordshire
One from Peterborough
One from Tonbridge
One from Southampton
One from Huntington
One from Uxbridge
One from Chelmsford

In many offices you will get people from all over

So again investment in London benefits many places . They will spend their wages in local shops and services . Spreading the love.

 

[SocketRocket]

It's the other way though. It encourages people to build buisness in the north with good connections to London for meetings etc

Cut travel time meaning meetings can be anywhere

Even with zoom people seem to want face to face

Bristol has seen a massive increase in commercial business over the last 50 years due to its good road and rail links and lower overhead costs compared to London.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

So commuters in London.. do they live in London? No they don't

Anyone using mainline services to London don't live in London

For example today I'll use the example of my shift on

We had me from Havering . Greater London
One from Bedfordshire
One from Peterborough
One from Tonbridge
One from Southampton
One from Huntington
One from Uxbridge
One from Chelmsford

In many offices you will get people from all over

So again investment in London benefits many places . They will spend their wages in local shops and services . Spreading the love.

The majority of London commuter live within the M25 although I appreciate that there are plenty of longer distance travellers, even did it myself for a while.

All of which illustrates just what a London centric economy we have to the detriment of other parts of the country.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

The majority of London commuter live within the M25 although I appreciate that there are plenty of longer distance travellers, even did it myself for a while.

All of which illustrates just what a London centric economy we have to the detriment of other parts of the country.

That is untrue otherwise we wouldn't need commuter services on national rail as everyone would just use the tube

Commuter services from Southend, Norwich, Colchester, Kent , Southampton, reading, Oxford, Cambridge , Bedford all packed coming into London at peak times normally.

A lot of people who live in greater London work locally to them not in the city

 

[DanFST]

The majority of London commuter live within the M25 although I appreciate that there are plenty of longer distance travellers, even did it myself for a while.

All of which illustrates just what a London centric economy we have to the detriment of other parts of the country.

When my mum was Ill I came back almost everyday to Ipswich for about 3 months. A season ticket costs £7,000. I never once got a seat unless I took a 10pm or later train (they operate every 12 minutes or so, and are Intercity Trains)

Unless you are on 60k+ or young, London is a pretty bad place to live.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

That is untrue otherwise we wouldn't need commuter services on national rail as everyone would just use the tube

Commuter services from Southend, Norwich, Colchester, Kent , Southampton, reading, Oxford, Cambridge , Bedford all packed coming into London at peak times normally.

A lot of people who live in greater London work locally to them not in the city

According to the ONS and, I believe, TfL it is true.

Of course there are plenty of people travelling from further afield but the average commute distance shows that the majority are from within the M25.

 

[Reemul]

Because some people are so in need of some form of social interaction that it is no Xmas that is important, just the need to spend time in the company of other human beings. I am finding it hard enough with no contact with anyone outside of work and my wife since mid October and so I hate to think how it will have impacted on people who are very much on their own. The ability to chat to people walking by when sat in the garden as was possible in the first lockdown is long gone and I will admit to struggling and so, yes, if permitted I will meet with people at Xmas.

I think he is not aiming his point at those that do not get much contact but those that have families and meet up with those outside of work as permitted.

My wife has 4 brothers and sister so 5 of them in total, there are 12 grankids in amongst that. Normally we would be all over each other over the Xmas period, we all live local to each other, half at one house half at the other including their parents.

This year we are all having our own Xmas dinner at home and we will meet up in individual family groups to visit the parents in the Garden, Gazebo and Summer House ready if it chucks it down with Patio Heaters. We are being extra careful even though the rules say we can meet up, for all of us there is no burning need so we won't but if anyone was alone then they would be with one of us. Bu there will still be a massive amount of families like ours that will and are meeting up because they want to regardless of the risk and that is the point i think Swinglowandslow doesn't understand and I am with him in that.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

According to the ONS and, I believe, TfL it is true.

Of course there are plenty of people travelling from further afield but the average commute distance shows that the majority are from within the M25.

What they counts is users who arrive in London the travel

Ie our Bedford lot train to zone 1 .. tube to work

Many get off Waterloo etc