Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

First time in a few weeks my wife and I had a chat about uk’s covid situation last night (we try not to bring it up too much as it’s just a depressing topic but 500 daily deaths is hard to ignore)
We both agreed that the UK wouldn’t or couldn’t do a proper lockdown to start with but cant understand why there’s so much dam freedom of movement right now while its running rampant

It must be waring real thin after so many months of being not restricted much (if at all) but not really free either. I do feel for those that have been doing a proper 'self-lockdown' for such a long time

Its a real worry that xmas is going to cost people way more this year than any other year because these 9 months of half measures must be more painful to live through than the 2½ months of harsh measures we had, I can only imagine the need for a ‘release’ or temporary escape that must be running high after so long

But now that vaccines are being made there’s zero chance of the appropriate lockdown steps being taken in the UK to keep folks safe locally or nationally, so more than ever it’s going to be up to everyone to protect themselves until they get the jag next year. If its permitted its your call what you’ll do but it might be best to postpone a xmas get-together for a few months… just this once
 
bluewolf said:
Interesting story in The Independent today regarding MacKenzie Scott giving away $4Billion over the last 4 months.
No disrespect to her as it’s an amazing gesture, but it does call into question the ethics and morals of society that people can accumulate this type of wealth whilst people need food banks and children are starving in the richest nation on earth.
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Agree... but equally (globally) we are not a communist system... so capitalism will throw such disparities. As you say, fair game from her, that she is giving it away. Unfortunately, we do live in a society that a few will fight to keep the food away from the kids.
 
Mudball said:
Agree... but equally (globally) we are not a communist system... so capitalism will throw such disparities. As you say, fair game from her, that she is giving it away. Unfortunately, we do live in a society that a few will fight to keep the food away from the kids.
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I'm split on this. It is obviously very good to give away so much. At the same time, if Amazon were not so aggressive in avoiding tax around the world then govts would have more money to deal with some of these problems themselves and she would not need to give so much away. She gets to play the good person somewhat unfairly.
 
GB72 said:
I would love to think otherwise as well but I also know that a call from a few mates, lets go for a drink, last chance for a while etc, I am ashamed to admit that in my twenties I probably would have gone out. I guess what I was trying to get across is that I am trying not to be judgemental in a number of situations simply because, if I were in the person in question's shoes, would I have acted any differently. It is very easy to criticise the younger generation when looking at it through the eyes of a 40 something as I am now but if you look at things in depth and answer honestly, I suspect that more than a few would be hard pressed to 100% guarantee that they would have acted any differently.
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Don't agree. As has been said, there comes a point when the situation is clearly one where anyone of an adult age is capable of thinking somewhat further than . " I want to ......"
we all, even looking that far back, can remember doing foolish things when young, but there is a line , you know. Covid draws it quite clearly. Not so sure that you see it.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Don't agree. As has been said, there comes a point when the situation is clearly one where anyone of an adult age is capable of thinking somewhat further than . " I want to ......"
we all, even looking that far back, can remember doing foolish things when young, but there is a line , you know. Covid draws it quite clearly. Not so sure that you see it.
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Pretty sure I know exactly where the line is and abide by it. I also can look at matters form a different point of view and know that the younger me was far less responsible and would look a the situation totally differently than I look at it now.
 
GB72 said:
Pretty sure I know exactly where the line is and abide by it. I also can look at matters form a different point of view and know that the younger me was far less responsible and would look a the situation totally differently than I look at it now.
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You have the advantage over most of us as we can't remember that far back
 
Mudball said:
Agree... but equally (globally) we are not a communist system... so capitalism will throw such disparities. As you say, fair game from her, that she is giving it away. Unfortunately, we do live in a society that a few will fight to keep the food away from the kids.
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Agreed, and I’m in no way suggesting that we should immediately install a Communist system, but there has to be a way of ensuring that local tax systems are not manipulated by global businesses.
This is especially important now when you consider the wealth shift that is currently happening from smaller local businesses to much larger online delivery based businesses. I know who I’d be targeting to pay for the additional spending incurred during Covid.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Don't agree. As has been said, there comes a point when the situation is clearly one where anyone of an adult age is capable of thinking somewhat further than . " I want to ......"
we all, even looking that far back, can remember doing foolish things when young, but there is a line , you know. Covid draws it quite clearly. Not so sure that you see it.
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And that really is my point as well. I can certainly forgive the exuberance of youth, we’ve all been there, after all. But there has to come a point when even the most naive and blinkered 23 year old must start to think, hang on, there’s a really nasty situation here and my behaviour isn’t helping.

I could excuse some of the behaviour we were seeing months ago from those aged in the 20’s and 30’s who continued to hit the bars and party in the streets. But even they must be able to see now that carrying on as though everything in the garden is rosy really is no longer acceptable.
 
IainP said:
I was hoping that general mask wearing, distancing, cleanliness might have led to a reduction in 'normal' bugs being passed around- probably too early to tell.
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I can only speak on a local level or at least that of being a father of a 6 year old and I think it has definitely lead to a reduction of the normal stuff. Usually at this point in the year we are on a continuous cycle of snot and used tissues all over the house however, as things stand, she hasn't brought home a single sniffle. Also, a couple of months back a child had a case of Norovirus in the class, usually this would have run rampant in the class however because of the increased hand washing and the fact that that they are not sharing stuff it was only the one child that caught it.

Obviously this is a pretty small sample however it is accurate! :LOL:
 
Unfortunately there appears to be a growing groundswell amongst people of all ages, that Covid is not as serious as conveyed by politicians and the media (both of whom they have little faith and trust in).

I have had exchanges on social media with individuals, one of whom was married to someone in the medical profession, who state those dying have almost exclusively got underlying health conditions. This stance is not helped by those who have contracted Covid and have very mild, or no symptoms and, of course, the ridiculous statistic methodology which includes deaths for any cause where the deceased tested positive within 28 days.

I think many , not just the young, are now thinking this is not as serious hence their disregard for the restrictions.
 
SteveJay said:
Unfortunately there appears to be a growing groundswell amongst people of all ages, that Covid is not as serious as conveyed by politicians and the media (both of whom they have little faith and trust in).

I have had exchanges on social media with individuals, one of whom was married to someone in the medical profession, who state those dying have almost exclusively got underlying health conditions. This stance is not helped by those who have contracted Covid and have very mild, or no symptoms and, of course, the ridiculous statistic methodology which includes deaths for any cause where the deceased tested positive within 28 days.

I think many , not just the young, are now thinking this is not as serious hence their disregard for the restrictions.
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I think there needs to be more attention paid and publicity about younger people who are seriously ill or die without underlying conditions. Make it a reality that it is a lottery sometimes as to who succumbs and who doesn't. That relies on the media though and doesn't suit their agenda. These stories will be even more important post vaccine roll-out completion so those who refused the vaccination start to see real life stories of those who chose that path and paid the heaviest price.
 
I also think there's an attitude among many that they are so fed up of havig their lives turned upside down by it, with no real end in sight yet, that they are willing to just take their chances with it so they can get on with their lives
 
AmandaJR said:
I think there needs to be more attention paid and publicity about younger people who are seriously ill or die without underlying conditions. Make it a reality that it is a lottery sometimes as to who succumbs and who doesn't. That relies on the media though and doesn't suit their agenda. These stories will be even more important post vaccine roll-out completion so those who refused the vaccination start to see real life stories of those who chose that path and paid the heaviest price.
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Indeed however the reality is that fit and healthy people die of flu as well yet those stories aren't plastered all over the newspapers. The fact is that for the majority of those in the younger ages the changes of death are absolutely minute and there is more chance of being run over by a bus. The understanding (of all those who aren't fussed) is that it is not their own health that is trying to be protected, it is that of those who do have a lesser chance of fighting it off.
 
SaintHacker said:
I also think there's an attitude among many that they are so fed up of havig their lives turned upside down by it, with no real end in sight yet, that they are willing to just take their chances with it so they can get on with their lives
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I have to agree with this. I think that you are always going to get a degree of lockdown fatigue as every light at the end of the tunnel has been a false hope. People in Tier 3 are, to all intents and purposes, in a lockdown and some places have been in that position for many months now
 
SteveJay said:
Unfortunately there appears to be a growing groundswell amongst people of all ages, that Covid is not as serious as conveyed by politicians and the media (both of whom they have little faith and trust in).

I have had exchanges on social media with individuals, one of whom was married to someone in the medical profession, who state those dying have almost exclusively got underlying health conditions. This stance is not helped by those who have contracted Covid and have very mild, or no symptoms and, of course, the ridiculous statistic methodology which includes deaths for any cause where the deceased tested positive within 28 days.

I think many , not just the young, are now thinking this is not as serious hence their disregard for the restrictions.
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Guy at work (27 ex service fittest of everyone) got covid at the start. He still suffers now

Another guy at work didn't overly believe why he still feeling it now thought he milking it

He got covid this weekend. He now understands he said
 
AmandaJR said:
I think there needs to be more attention paid and publicity about younger people who are seriously ill or die without underlying conditions. Make it a reality that it is a lottery sometimes as to who succumbs and who doesn't. That relies on the media though and doesn't suit their agenda. These stories will be even more important post vaccine roll-out completion so those who refused the vaccination start to see real life stories of those who chose that path and paid the heaviest price.
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Deaths are not going to massively help, the numbers are fairly small really(in total 319 if you are go upto the age of 39, including conditions or not ) :-

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The post viral problems are probably more important and several studies are out there now, that shows how many it affects. Do have the links saved but not on this computer.
 
Wales closing golf courses after Christmas. :(

Will have to try to meet up at RSD with one of the other members I know and play it over Christmas. Normally play there quite a bit during winter months, not this year so far or probably for the rest of winter :(
 
I may well have taken a less responsible view on Covid when I was a teenager but I was married with children in my twenties and somehow I don't think I would have taken a laissez-faire view of this pandemic.
 
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