Tashyboy
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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?
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PNWokingham
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i think they will struggle to push it to t3 economically and, if so, there will be a big row with other t3 areas that are showing lowere infections and on better trends
bluewolf
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I suspect the roll out of mass testing in secondary schools announced yesterday will be used to justify keeping London in tier 2.
If that is the case then I’d expect serious rebellion from areas that have been in tier 3 for an extended period and have better numbers.
road2ruin
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I've got friends in Leeds and the surrounding area who are furious that London is being given special protection (or at least that is the way it seems to them) against being put into the higher tier when their own areas have been in tier 3 for a while despite having no particular rises in cases etc. I agree, if London isn't stuck into tier 3 there will be a breakdown in rule following in certain areas.
DanFST
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Absolute madness London not being in T3.
Rules are being broken there more than anywhere else, People aren't even shy about posting in pubs/bars/restaurants anymore.
Rules are being broken there more than anywhere else, People aren't even shy about posting in pubs/bars/restaurants anymore.
bobmac
Major Champion
Doesn't the tier system take into account the amount of hospitals there are in the area?
I believe London has almost 300 hospitals
I believe London has almost 300 hospitals
Lot of hospitals but also a lot of people. More relevant is the beds per population or acute beds per population. I don't know the numbers but the fact that they have high numbers and are still not tier 3 suggests they are well blessed with both. Lucky them.
DanFST
Head Pro
Potentially, @Ethan will know for sure.
However, most of my friends/people my age are still there, and just flatout lying that they live together to be inside. They will be going to their parents for Christmas, January is going to be crazy.
Just glad golf has been allowed to make it through regardless of tiers.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Wife was speaking earlier with a Brighton friend who was up in London Wednesday evening meeting up with a friend of hers. Our Brighton friend said that she was frankly shocked how her friend (in his 50s) plus what appeared to be all age groups out and about socialising were behaving. With most she saw there appeared little or no concern about adhering to the measures we must adhere to - acting as if all was normal.
Our Brighton friend has been very strict in her adherence (as she is vulnerable) and dismayed at her friend - never mind everyone else she saw - and is very reticent about going near London until we are through the worst of this. As a result my wife and her pal have cancelled meeting up this weekend - because of the risk her friend feels she was exposed to and the risk she poses to my wife - and so on.
London - just not good at all. It's as though they consider themselves immune to picking it up - almost an arrogance that says "I'm not worried about picking it up - if I do it won't harm me - and I'll only pass it on to someone who also is unlikely to develop bad Covid-19 - and they wouldn't dare shut down bars and hospitality in London"
DanFST
Head Pro
I Seldom agree with you, but that's spot on. Add in the reliance on public transport and it's just a mess!
Tashyboy
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And unfortunately as that may be the case, when Boris’s 4 day Covid holiday comes into effect, the good people of London village will be spreading there wings around the country where there are not as many hospitals
Ethan
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The tier system takes local NHS pressures into account. The limiting steps are ICU beds and staffing. The Nightingales are staffed and supplied by other local provision, so staff and equipment is diverted to them if needed, but takes away from other facilities.
backwoodsman
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Genuine question. Why is there the overriding impression from much of the country that its outrageous that London is not already in tier 3?
Reason for asking is that my area of London still has a lower rate than most of the existing tier 3 areas (or, at least, those I've looked up).. Ok, the trend is worryingly going in the wrong direction - and if it continues that way, I can see why T3 would be beckonning - but until this past week, it was generally less than 2/3rds of the national average and even now its just on the national average still . Until this week i thought we were generally doing OK (and what I dont understand is why its now climbing. As far as I can, tell no-one is really doing that much different to the past few months, which were reasonably ok.).
Reason for asking is that my area of London still has a lower rate than most of the existing tier 3 areas (or, at least, those I've looked up).. Ok, the trend is worryingly going in the wrong direction - and if it continues that way, I can see why T3 would be beckonning - but until this past week, it was generally less than 2/3rds of the national average and even now its just on the national average still . Until this week i thought we were generally doing OK (and what I dont understand is why its now climbing. As far as I can, tell no-one is really doing that much different to the past few months, which were reasonably ok.).
Fade and Die
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This article on Sky news shows that London is the only region with hospital admission levels under 25% of the peak.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-will-london-go-into-tier-3-before-christmas-12156235
Tashyboy
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I think the problem is that some parts of a county are low and some are high so all the county goes into tier 3. Some parts of London are high some are not yet its not in tier 3. So folk are thinking its double standards and the South is favoured.
bluewolf
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For the avoidance of doubt. I’m not saying that London should be put in tier 3. However, it’s quite clear that tier 2 isn’t working. Numbers are rising. R rate is rising. Tier 2 is supposed to stop the rise.
My argument is that if London is kept in tier 2, then there is no sufficient reason to keep large swathes of the North in tier 3. ?
Tashyboy
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Watched QT the other night, I don’t know who it was said it,( a woman). But she was positive on saying the infection rate is slowing down. She was informed that it is still going up. She said ” Yes but it is slowing down whilst going up”. Sweet lord.
That aside Mansfield has the biggest indoor car boot sale tomorrow which the organiser says is “ Covid safe”. Am staying in bed for a month.
That aside Mansfield has the biggest indoor car boot sale tomorrow which the organiser says is “ Covid safe”. Am staying in bed for a month.
Swinglowandslow
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Yes, Einstein was right, eh?
As a county we’re Tier 3, despite large swathes of the county having infection rates well below the national average, both in general and in the over-60’s. Pressure on the local NHS is not as high as in the spring.
We have a city and two boroughs which have been bucking the trend all year, mainly due to demographics, and their rates are consistently high. But many hoped that parts of the county would be split from the city and moved to Tier 2 next week. Many local MP’s have been very vocal on the subject.
But I hear, through work, that it is almost a racing certainty that the county wide approach will remain. Despite suggestions to the contrary, there is little political appetite to start looking at this borough by borough.
So. Our clubhouse can forget opening before April at the earliest.
We have a city and two boroughs which have been bucking the trend all year, mainly due to demographics, and their rates are consistently high. But many hoped that parts of the county would be split from the city and moved to Tier 2 next week. Many local MP’s have been very vocal on the subject.
But I hear, through work, that it is almost a racing certainty that the county wide approach will remain. Despite suggestions to the contrary, there is little political appetite to start looking at this borough by borough.
So. Our clubhouse can forget opening before April at the earliest.