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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Just back from collecting my son from school. One of his Year 2 classamates has tested positive so back into isolation for the second time since September and we have well below average infection rates locally.....

Thats me home schooling tomorrow instead of of teeing off at 9-30. As tomorrow is also the last of my rest days this I will need to take Thursday and Friday off work since my wife is a Teacher. No sleep on after 12 nights on Sunday beckons as well, fantastic :rolleyes:(n)
 
saving_par said:
Just back from collecting my son from school. One of his Year 2 classamates has tested positive so back into isolation for the second time since September and we have well below average infection rates locally.....

Thats me home schooling tomorrow instead of of teeing off at 9-30. As tomorrow is also the last of my rest days this I will need to take Thursday and Friday off work since my wife is a Teacher. No sleep on after 12 nights on Sunday beckons as well, fantastic :rolleyes:(n)
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Or he could caddy and you could teach as you walk round (y). There has to be some collective knowledge in your group that could be passed on, mustn't there?

A few of the schools in my town have reduced the bubble size to avoid the constant closing of whole classes. Classes are broken into smaller groups and only those in that group have to isolate if one goes positive. It has been a very succesful move.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Or he could caddy and you could teach as you walk round (y). There has to be some collective knowledge in your group that could be passed on, mustn't there?

A few of the schools in my town have reduced the bubble size to avoid the constant closing of whole classes. Classes are broken into smaller groups and only those in that group have to isolate if one goes positive. It has been a very succesful move.
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The private schools around me are all calling it quits for the term at the end of next week. Finishing a week early on 11th with online teaching for the last week of the term. Seems like a decent idea to me, if families are going to be mixing over Xmas, get the kids out of school 2 weeks before hand so as they can at least semi isolate for a bit and lower the risk of spreading.
 
bobmac said:
Oh well, I can only hope that some readers got the point I was trying to make about mental health and boredom before the pedants started bickering.




So Joe blogs is bored at home getting paid to watch telly. He then plays the 'mental health' card to justify going out, catches the virus and ends up dying in an ICU.
No thought given to the mental health of the doctors and nurses who have to clear up the mess and to say it's just part of their job is just pathetic in my opinion.
And for those of you who may have missed my earlier post.....

''To those who are planning to make unnecessary journeys/meetings/gatherings etc over the next few weeks, please spare a thought for the nurses and doctors.''
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It’s just not as simple as “stay inside”

Mental health is a huge thing with the lockdown and even if people are “sitting at home getting paid” - its just not as easy as that

There are millions on reduced wages , millions worrying about if there is a business to go back too - getting out and about is crucial to a lot of people and even a game of golf can help that

But on the outside furlough sounds lovely in the summer but the longer it’s gone on people are going to get worried and we can’t all shut ourselves inside - the country still needs to move forward and can do with the guidelines set out. The economy needs to keep moving , people need to go to work , people need to visit shops , it’s a circle that keeps it all moving

Do people lock themselves away during the flu season ?

People are still going to get Covid even with every measure possible , it’s going to happen , and unfortunately and heartbreaking for some it’s going to cost a very small percentage their lives but you can never also discount the other affects of this pandemic and mental health is a key area that has to be watched.
 
bluewolf said:
And that is absolutely your choice ?

Unfortunately, if we all make the same choice then there won’t be a country for us to emerge into.

And trust me. No one wants to protect the Nurses of the NHS more than I do. Who’s going to make my tea and look after the kids if mine goes? ?
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I disagree - IMO the reason these economically damaging lockdowns/tiers etc. have lasted so long and still persist just now is not enough people are choosing to stay at home more of the time and cut right back on non-essential trips outside the house.

No-one can be certain of course and at least there is finally light at the end of the tunnel in the form of vaccines, but I for one will be continuing with minimising the number of times I leave hone just as I have been since the original lockdown in March.
 
ger147 said:
I disagree - IMO the reason these economically damaging lockdowns/tiers etc. have lasted so long and still persist just now is not enough people are choosing to stay at home more of the time and cut right back on non-essential trips outside the house.
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Unless you get 0 cases and shut borders, it's just not feasable. We were too late.
 
DanFST said:
Unless you get 0 cases and shut borders, it's just not feasable. We were too late.
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It's not a case of having zero cases. If fewer people are moving around less of the time, the fewer cases we would have. If more people stayed at home more of the time, chances are the number of cases would be lower and the restrictions wouldn't need to be so severe to maintain that lower level of cases.

Just my opinion of course, I know many others don't share that view.
 
DanFST said:
Unless you get 0 cases and shut borders, it's just not feasable. We were too late.
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There was no 'too late'.

Once the virus made the jump to humans, unless it was contained and eradicated within the first few cases. It was game over for stopping it spreading.

It is impossible in todays world to shut borders and society down enough to stop a virus such as this spreading.
 
BiMGuy said:
There was no 'too late'.

Once the virus made the jump to humans, unless it was contained and eradicated within the first few cases. It was game over for stopping it spreading.

It is impossible in todays world to shut borders and society down enough to stop a virus such as this spreading.
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I'm not convinced, Singapore shut their borders had a legally required and very good tracing system.

The economy is back to normal, apart from having to wear a mask and not being able to leave+enter, life is pretty much back to normal. I think their cases are normally less than 10 a day, and they are catching 99.99% of them.
 
ger147 said:
I disagree - IMO the reason these economically damaging lockdowns/tiers etc. have lasted so long and still persist just now is not enough people are choosing to stay at home more of the time and cut right back on non-essential trips outside the house.

No-one can be certain of course and at least there is finally light at the end of the tunnel in the form of vaccines, but I for one will be continuing with minimising the number of times I leave hone just as I have been since the original lockdown in March.
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Ok, define essential...

Shopping can be delivered - Food and Christmas.
Exercise can be done at home.
most other things can be done online.

If we limit our outdoor time to just travelling to and from work (those that have to), then all retail except the biggest online businesses would collapse. The hospitality sector would collapse. Travel etc would collapse.

It’s not about reducing the risk to near zero. It’s about minimising it to the point that the structures in place can cope until a vaccine is administered.

Me personally, I’m booked into the gym tomorrow and Thursday. I’m playing golf on Friday/Saturday/Sunday. When the pubs open I’ll be enjoying a nice socially distanced pint with the dogs next to a roaring fire. All of this will be done whilst observing the safety and hygiene rules in place. I have absolutely no guilt about this.

I support your (and everyone else’s) right to make your own choices. ?
 
bluewolf said:
Ok, define essential...

Shopping can be delivered - Food and Christmas.
Exercise can be done at home.
most other things can be done online.

If we limit our outdoor time to just travelling to and from work (those that have to), then all retail except the biggest online businesses would collapse. The hospitality sector would collapse. Travel etc would collapse.

It’s not about reducing the risk to near zero. It’s about minimising it to the point that the structures in place can cope until a vaccine is administered.

Me personally, I’m booked into the gym tomorrow and Thursday. I’m playing golf on Friday/Saturday/Sunday. When the pubs open I’ll be enjoying a nice socially distanced pint with the dogs next to a roaring fire. All of this will be done whilst observing the safety and hygiene rules in place. I have absolutely no guilt about this.

I support your (and everyone else’s) right to make your own choices. ?
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I did say cut back, not completely eliminate. And the retail, travel and hospitality sectors are all already decimated.

And to use your diary above as an example, if it was me I would not go to the gym at all and play golf just the once.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
It’s just not as simple as “stay inside”

Mental health is a huge thing with the lockdown and even if people are “sitting at home getting paid” - its just not as easy as that

There are millions on reduced wages , millions worrying about if there is a business to go back too - getting out and about is crucial to a lot of people and even a game of golf can help that

But on the outside furlough sounds lovely in the summer but the longer it’s gone on people are going to get worried and we can’t all shut ourselves inside - the country still needs to move forward and can do with the guidelines set out. The economy needs to keep moving , people need to go to work , people need to visit shops , it’s a circle that keeps it all moving

Do people lock themselves away during the flu season ?

People are still going to get Covid even with every measure possible , it’s going to happen , and unfortunately and heartbreaking for some it’s going to cost a very small percentage their lives but you can never also discount the other affects of this pandemic and mental health is a key area that has to be watched.
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Are people actually reading what is being written?
Bob has always said that it is what is unnecessary that is what should be curtailed.
Here


''To those who are planning to make unnecessary journeys/meetings/gatherings etc over the next few weeks, please spare a thought for the nurses and doctors.''

Then he went on to say that of course some have to do actions that carry risk.
That is what the whole dilemma that the authorities are battling with.
There are things that have to be done by a lot - most -people that puts them and others at risk of Covid. No one is denying that
Ethan has said that most activities outside carry a negligible risk using some common sense, so if there is no risk then fine. Golf , walking etc
It's the unnecessary risk that is being taken time and again by people feeding this virus that is under debate here. And I find it hard to understand those here who support such risk taking.
If doing this impacted only those who took those unnecessary risks, then I'd say, fine - go ahead. I wouldn't lose any sleep over their fate.
But this is a different scenario.
Who lives a lifestyle where if they catch it, no one else will?
Exactly!
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Are people actually reading what is being written?
Bob has always said that it is what is unnecessary that is what should be curtailed.
Here


''To those who are planning to make unnecessary journeys/meetings/gatherings etc over the next few weeks, please spare a thought for the nurses and doctors.''

Then he went on to say that of course some have to do actions that carry risk.
That is what the whole dilemma that the authorities are battling with.
There are things that have to be done by a lot - most -people that puts them and others at risk of Covid. No one is denying that
Ethan has said that most activities outside carry a negligible risk using some common sense, so if there is no risk then fine. Golf , walking etc
It's the unnecessary risk that is being taken time and again by people feeding this virus that is under debate here. And I find it hard to understand those here who support such risk taking.
If doing this impacted only those who took those unnecessary risks, then I'd say, fine - go ahead. I wouldn't lose any sleep over their fate.
But this is a different scenario.
Who lives a lifestyle where if they catch it, no one else will?
Exactly!
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Re the bit in bold, if they do have to do actions that carry risk then they aren’t unnecessary, only you yourself can decide what you deem neccessary.

I’d doubt anybody on here is going to come on post they do X amount of unneccessary journeys because they want to or they can.
 
pauldj42 said:
Re the bit in bold, if they do have to do actions that carry risk then they aren’t unnecessary, only you yourself can decide what you deem neccessary.

I’d doubt anybody on here is going to come on post they do X amount of unneccessary journeys because they want to or they can.
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Yeah they've been kinda doing that since March though
Buying everything from board games to DIY supplies meaning needless journeys by others, households going out shopping 5-6 times a week etc
This forum has been all about the non-essentials since day 1
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Are people actually reading what is being written?
Bob has always said that it is what is unnecessary that is what should be curtailed.
Here


''To those who are planning to make unnecessary journeys/meetings/gatherings etc over the next few weeks, please spare a thought for the nurses and doctors.''

Then he went on to say that of course some have to do actions that carry risk.
That is what the whole dilemma that the authorities are battling with.
There are things that have to be done by a lot - most -people that puts them and others at risk of Covid. No one is denying that
Ethan has said that most activities outside carry a negligible risk using some common sense, so if there is no risk then fine. Golf , walking etc
It's the unnecessary risk that is being taken time and again by people feeding this virus that is under debate here. And I find it hard to understand those here who support such risk taking.
If doing this impacted only those who took those unnecessary risks, then I'd say, fine - go ahead. I wouldn't lose any sleep over their fate.
But this is a different scenario.
Who lives a lifestyle where if they catch it, no one else will?
Exactly!
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So what is classed as “unnecessary” risk ? Can it be defined ? Or will it be up to each person to decide what they feel they can do without ?
 
Slab said:
Yeah they've been kinda doing that since March though
Buying everything from board games to DIY supplies meaning needless journeys by others, households going out shopping 5-6 times a week etc
This forum has been all about the non-essentials since day 1
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Those who have done such things, I’m not sure who you mean, they may of deemed them neccessary for a multitude of reasons.
 
ger147 said:
I did say cut back, not completely eliminate. And the retail, travel and hospitality sectors are all already decimated.

And to use your diary above as an example, if it was me I would not go to the gym at all and play golf just the once.
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I don't understand this. The gym I go to is safer than a supermarket. You have to prebook a slot. These are limited in number. It is cleaned every one and a half hours. They also use a fogging machine on it. Equipment has to be wiped down before and after use. I've only seen one couple not do this and I complained about them. Golf is outside in the fresh air with no close contact of anyone not in my household.
 
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