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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

ColchesterFC said:
Depends on whether choir members are classed as "formal performers" or not. My take on it would be that a "formal performer" would be a paid singer rather than a group of amateurs getting together in a choir for a sing song. But that's just my opinion on it and how I'm reading the rules. I would also suggest that getting together as part of a choir would class as "socialising with others" which is banned indoors.
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?? Sorry mate, let’s just accept they can sing, they are the “choir” for that place of worship, not just a group deciding to get together for a one off.

If he’d suggested a group of strangers getting together I’d agree.

The link you posted is from the HoC announcement yesterday, it’s quite clear on what’s allowed and singing as an organised choir is not socialising.
 
pauldj42 said:
?? Sorry mate, let’s just accept they can sing, they are the “choir” for that place of worship, not just a group deciding to get together for a one off.

If he’d suggested a group of strangers getting together I’d agree.

The link you posted is from the HoC announcement yesterday, it’s quite clear on what’s allowed and singing as an organised choir is not socialising.
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I disagree. If others are reading it differently then that's up to them. I don't believe that his choir are formal performers. But as I said that's just my reading of the rules.

I really don't care whether SiLH goes to sing carols or visit his MiL. It won't affect my life one jot. It's entirely up to him whether he does it or not. It's just a bit surprising how clear the rules become when they are to his benefit and how unclear they are when he wants them to be.

And as an aside my link can't be from the HoC announcement yesterday as the article is from "2 days ago".
 
If musicians or singers usually form part of the act of worship that is being broadcast, they may participate but only if they are essential to the delivery of that act of worship. The numbers or people involved should be kept as small as possible to minimise risks and participants should follow social distancing guidance.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...es-of-worship-during-the-pandemic-from-4-july

Do you really need a choir for an act of worship? Probably not would be my thoughts, you could use existing recordings if you did.
 
ColchesterFC said:
I disagree. If others are reading it differently then that's up to them. I don't believe that his choir are formal performers. But as I said that's just my reading of the rules.

I really don't care whether SiLH goes to sing carols or visit his MiL. It won't affect my life one jot. It's entirely up to him whether he does it or not. It's just a bit surprising how clear the rules become when they are to his benefit and how unclear they are when he wants them to be.

And as an aside my link can't be from the HoC announcement yesterday as the article is from "2 days ago".
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Agree 100% and your second paragraph sums my feelings up. It's something others seem to be picking up as well and almost as if trying to court a response in the same way as all of the political threads
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Ok then - that definition of ‘formal’ is of course nonsense as I can’t recall us ever paying anyone to put on any form of performance singing, spoken or acted at church - but ok I’ll join in the fun - let’s just say that we each of us members of the choir get paid in kind by the thanks of others. Or maybe we each get given (paid) 1p as we leave. That makes us all ’formal’ performers?
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Strange that you did not apply such flexibility when golf or practice was being discussed.

Quite the reverse in fact with typically sanctimonious comments saying we should not expect our sport to be treated differently.

Double standard spring to mind.
 
Traminator said:
I'm with you and I think it's very obvious.

I don't actually care in real life, but purely for the sake of following the thread:

A formal performer would be someone with talent who could tell jokes, sing or saw a scantily clad young woman in half in front of the congregation.

A group of amateurs just meeting for a sing song is clearly a social gathering.
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Sounds like you don’t know much about amateur choirs. Anyway I’ll repeat - we are not doing this for ourselves...we are doing it to be recorded. There will be no socialising and no jolly sing-song. Paulj42 understands - why others choose to attack - not me, but a church choir, I will choose to not speculate upon. Out.
 
If I remember rightly, a choir singing was identified as one of the first superspreaders in America...
Maybe another case of "just because you can, doesn't mean you should "
 
ColchesterFC said:
I disagree. If others are reading it differently then that's up to them. I don't believe that his choir are formal performers. But as I said that's just my reading of the rules.

I really don't care whether SiLH goes to sing carols or visit his MiL. It won't affect my life one jot. It's entirely up to him whether he does it or not. It's just a bit surprising how clear the rules become when they are to his benefit and how unclear they are when he wants them to be.

And as an aside my link can't be from the HoC announcement yesterday as the article is from "2 days ago".
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Apologies, misread 26th as 28th, anyway your link also states nativity places can take place, how many taking part in those performances will be “Formal Performers”? ??

The Government has said Choirs can perform, the guidelines are clear and if his minister sticks to them then there is no issue.

People trying the “Formal Performer” card are playing the poster and YES 99% of the time he brings that on himself.
 
Absolutely madness that a sizeable group of people can meet inside to have a sing song whatever the excuse. It's not even to worship as such. It's to record it so it can be played at another time.

Maybe Corona Virus doesn't go to church ?
 
BiMGuy said:
Absolutely madness that a sizeable group of people can meet inside to have a sing song whatever the excuse. It's not even to worship as such. It's to record it so it can be played at another time.

Maybe Corona Virus doesn't go to church ?
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They haven’t clarified the number allowed in a choir yet, it maybe only 6 as per the rules.(y)
 
BiMGuy said:
Absolutely madness that a sizeable group of people can meet inside to have a sing song whatever the excuse. It's not even to worship as such. It's to record it so it can be played at another time.

Maybe Corona Virus doesn't go to church ?
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I don't think that's correct. I'm pretty sure that it's a Christian virus which would mean it going to church. It definitely didn't recognise Ramadan back in April/May and it didn't recognise Diwali in November. But it seems it's taking 5 days off over Xmas so is recognising a Christian festival. :unsure:
 
pauldj42 said:
Woke up this morning to an alert on my phone saying I’ve been near someone positive and have to isolate for 9 days.

As it’s 9 days I take it that means I had the contact 5 days ago, ie, monday?

However, with my m-in-law passing away last sunday once we were home I never left the house until wednesday and I’m very confused when the contact occurred.

Yes, I will isolate, but can anyone clarify how it works as to when I could of been exposed.
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Sorry, late to the party on this one.
If you get a test and it's negative can't you disregard the alert?
Rings a bell somehow but I'm not 100% sure of the correct guidance.
 
Beezerk said:
Sorry, late to the party on this one.
If you get a test and it's negative can't you disregard the alert?
Rings a bell somehow but I'm not 100% sure of the correct guidance.
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I can, but without telling lies, the guidance says I should only go for a test if I develop symptoms.:unsure:
 
I don't care what the rules say, I have my own rules and they haven't changed much since March.
If something unnecessary increases my chance of catching the killer virus, I won't do it.
Stay at home, watch Netflix, stay safe and give the doctors and nurses a break.
Either wise we will be in the same boat this time next year.
 
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