Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

DRW said:
I know it wasn't a prediction. I believe I posted that in my original post. (y)

Do you happen to know the currently doubling time and do you think it will get faster or slower over time or stay the same, interested to hear ? and do you think the models or examples so far pushed forwarded by the scientists have been very reliable in the eyes of the public?

It undermines the path and the value of science and data and their voices, as I have heard the stories about the boy that cried wolf, too many times.... I am worried about the results of the actions being taken on other deaths and poverty etc
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Unfortunately many DO point to what the mathematics said as a prediction of what is likely to happen in reality - and then use that deliberate misinterpretation as a basis upon which to rubbish further and current estimates that are being provided. I can't critisise anyone for perhaps not understanding what was presented when they are listening to those who choose or mistakenly misinterpret and misrepresent a simple illustration of exponential growth.

I don't know what the current doubling period is - but I imagine that the estimate that epidemiologists make is not simply based upon the numbers of positive tests.
 
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Old Skier said:
The military weren’t involved in T&T now they are, things change, get over it. They are also being used to go door to door offering free test kits and getting abused by some of the public at the same time. They shrug their shoulders smile and get on with it.
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Again - you really don't need to have a go at me...:love:
 
maxfli65 said:
Ours in Argyll went on holiday Friday 2nd so we're half way through.
Dont quite get this, I think summer holidays for scottish state schools all follow the same 6 or 7 weeks, yet the October fortnight holiday can be any 2 weeks in October depending on where you live.
Rumours a while ago were there'd be a 2 week circuit breaker during school October holidays (kids at home so good time to do it) until people realised the above!
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They are all over the place which is nuts.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Fair enough. She's not required then she is. She simply pointed out that if she could have been required, then maybe a little bit of prep or advising her that she was on a 'bank' or reserve list would have been sensible. That's all. As she is no longer available or interested it matters not. Anyway - given the current hit rate of T&T I think much new recruitment will be ongoing.

And a waste of money? To train such as her - let's say 10hrs training...that would be £200 they'd pay her to do on-line training courses and genning up on procedures. Yup. Not affordable.
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Or to look at it another way, they have saved £200 by not training someone who is no longer available to fill the role. Multiply that by however many thousands of other people are in the same situation and it adds up to a decent amount that can be spent elsewhere.

You'd be the first to complain about the government wasting money if they'd trained 20000 people at £200 per head and then hadn't used them.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Or to look at it another way, they have saved £200 by not training someone who is no longer available to fill the role. Multiply that by however many thousands of other people are in the same situation and it adds up to a decent amount that can be spent elsewhere.

You'd be the first to complain about the government wasting money if they'd trained 20000 people at £200 per head and then hadn't used them.
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Except that just about all the experts - certainly in the medical community - were pretty darned sure they'd need to expand the system come October to cope with a second wave of infections...and if you know something is likely to happen and the impact of it happening is significant - then you consider money spent as a risk mitigation to be money well spent - and so you spend it.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Except that just about all the experts - certainly in the medical community - were pretty darned sure they'd need to expand the system come October to cope with a second wave of infections...and if you know something is likely to happen and the impact of it happening is significant - then you consider money spent as a risk mitigation to be money well spent - and so you spend it.
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How is it "risk mitigation" to train your wife for a role in July/August that they didn't need her for at that point and that now they do need her she is no longer available? They are almost certainly working through a list of names and will train the ones that are needed and available and that's not your wife. Yes they knew that in all likelihood they would have to expand the system in October and that's what they are doing. Why waste money training people in July or August for jobs in October that they might no longer be free to take up? Are you seriously trying to suggest that if your wife had been trained 3 or 4 months ago then she would have waited for however long it took for her to get a call from T & T and she wouldn't have looked for other work if she hadn't heard after 3 months?
 
Looks like covid protocol for dental treatments may require dentist to leave a window open even when doing non-aerosol treatments. So along with their PPE, they will dressed as eskimos. Mrs has already put in a petition to update her wardrobe. Atleast i m saving money by wearing PJs everyday while i WFH
 
Mudball said:
Looks like covid protocol for dental treatments may require dentist to leave a window open even when doing non-aerosol treatments. So along with their PPE, they will dressed as eskimos. Mrs has already put in a petition to update her wardrobe. Atleast i m saving money by wearing PJs everyday while i WFH
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Been wrapping up for a couple of weeks now...it'll be full winter gear with woolly hat and gloves soon..
 
Seems SAGE are saying the test and trace system is having a marginal impact on the spread. Which is a little depressing as I was under the impression that was a sound way to try and contain the spread. Oh well, I'll keep using the app anyway.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Seems SAGE are saying the test and trace system is having a marginal impact on the spread. Which is a little depressing as I was under the impression that was a sound way to try and contain the spread. Oh well, I'll keep using the app anyway.
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Test and trace is usually a key way of controlling a pandemic but the current version is a disaster. Shoulda let local PHE do it.
 
ColchesterFC said:
How is it "risk mitigation" to train your wife for a role in July/August that they didn't need her for at that point and that now they do need her she is no longer available? They are almost certainly working through a list of names and will train the ones that are needed and available and that's not your wife. Yes they knew that in all likelihood they would have to expand the system in October and that's what they are doing. Why waste money training people in July or August for jobs in October that they might no longer be free to take up? Are you seriously trying to suggest that if your wife had been trained 3 or 4 months ago then she would have waited for however long it took for her to get a call from T & T and she wouldn't have looked for other work if she hadn't heard after 3 months?
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You have individuals cleared, on boarded, trained up and on a ‘bank’ - ready to work immediately the need arises. Yes - some might have taken up other work but many would have just made themselves available if needed. without that you have a delay.

But that’s simply what you’d do in a risk mitigation analysis. The risk and risk mitigation are both clearly defined. The risk likelihood is assessed. The cost of the risk mitigation is worked out. You decide whether the impact of the risk were it to happen is worth the cost of the mitigation activity and act accordingly. Not rocket science.

Maybe that has happened and there is a bank of trained individuals waiting to be called upon. Or maybe T&T is now reacting and calling up individuals who previously expressed an interest to get them cleared and trained up - that being the T&T contingency plan.
 
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Hacker Khan said:
Seems SAGE are saying the test and trace system is having a marginal impact on the spread. Which is a little depressing as I was under the impression that was a sound way to try and contain the spread. Oh well, I'll keep using the app anyway.
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The disease is endemic
A significant proportion of those who have it are asymptomatic or have symptons so mild they don't get tested
Those who have it will almost certainly infect their household before they know it
I genuinely think that t&t wouldn't help much in our current situation even if it was done perfectly. The mistake is thinking it might and pinning so much hope on it.
 
Ethan said:
Test and trace is usually a key way of controlling a pandemic but the current version is a disaster. Shoulda let local PHE do it.
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Oh well, as long as we are not getting distracted by issues that can easily be dealt with later once we have got on top of Covid and learn lessons from this I'm sure it will be fine.
 
Junior Shark tested positive at university as expected but it already feeling OK. But she is playing by the rules and self-isolating. Will order her a new PlayStation game and send it up as a little reward.
 
When we get the "experts" to agree a course of action it will be much easier!

Meanwhile Covid impacting still, my mum is back in hospital, not allowed to visit. She's not in good shape.

I am only allowed to play golf in Monmouthshire (or in England) and not travel into Newport.

Just signed a 12 month contract extension, although (see Retirement thread) I am probably going to chuck it in between Xmas and end of the Financial Year! Still working from home and quids in due to lack of travel and accommodation expenses... the one bright spark in a sea of cobblers!
 
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