Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Doon frae Troon]

Scottish restaurant owners who, a week ago, would have been mortified if someone had called their business a cafe are now very keen to let everyone know that they really actually are a cafe. [honest guv]

 

[road2ruin]

Out of interest, how are you coping with the issue about if you happen to pass it on ? is it just that they decided what was best for them, so kind of what will be, will be and at least they were doing what they wanted and were happy ?

In my own circumstances we talked about it with my parents (mid 70's) and they made it clear that their wish was to see both us and their grandchild. They were aware of the risks and possible consequences however they didn't want to spend the next 3, 6 or 9 months without seeing their family. My other half's mum is late 60's and she's been very much the same, she wants to have as normal a life as possible and for her that includes seeing her grandchildren. We're all going into this with our eyes wide open.

 

[robinthehood]

I'm not doubting the reduction in traffic once a lockdown of sorts was eventually announced, as I said it seemed a lot like a stay at home holiday atmosphere for many if this forum was any guide
But I didn't make it up, members on this forum posted almost daily about their non-essential purchases, about daily trips to shops by multiple persons from same households about why they wouldn't wear a mask or why they felt their job was essential, just re-read the first 20 pages of this thread for a flavour

but yes I was also there right before lockdown, 8th - 16th march. Saw it, saw how we cared (or didn't) went to the pub most nights and bought the t-shirt... making me just as guilty as the next person, I'm not proud of it

Lockdown didn't start untill 23rd march.
It was very well observerved by the majority. Sadly lots of people came up with their own idea of what the rules should be and what they meant.
You only have to read the threads to see how badly people misunderstood what was being asked.

 

[Ethan]

I wish that were true but while a lockdown is a measure of control I just don't think that a UK lockdown is the kind of control that's needed from a practical sense
We locked down here hard and fast
They closed the borders
They imposed a curfew
They closed all businesses
They eradicated the virus 100% in 40 days
We've had no indigenous cases for more than 5 months now

We partially reopened the airport 9 days ago & we've had 18 cases arrive in that time (fortunately all arrivals go to quarantine) That's the kind of control that's needed but it is just not sustainable and not something folks in the UK will accept or comply with

Where are you? Mauritius?

Whether the UK could do it or not is a matter of debate. Deciding not to do it because you think it will be hard to pull off is not an adequate reason not to try. The US managed to control their borders to a certain extent, although their systems of controlling what virus got in are terrible. NZ did it. Oz did it decently too.

 

[Slab]

Lockdown didn't start untill 23rd march.
It was very well observerved by the majority. Sadly lots of people came up with their own idea of what the rules should be and what they meant.
You only have to read the threads to see how badly people misunderstood what was being asked.

I agree many just did what they thought they could get away with/needed to
My point above to Ethan was that for me that kind of lockdown (and level of control it provided) wasn't going to cut it and we now know it wasn't going to be enough
And my concern is that new lockdowns that aren't even as severe as the 1st (that wasn't severe anyway) just isn't going to be enough second time around
At best it keeps a small measure of control on the rate of spread until a vaccine is found

 

[Slab]

Where are you? Mauritius?

Whether the UK could do it or not is a matter of debate. Deciding not to do it because you think it will be hard to pull off is not an adequate reason not to try. The US managed to control their borders to a certain extent, although their systems of controlling what virus got in are terrible. NZ did it. Oz did it decently too.

I'm not saying don't try, all I'm saying in reply to you saying 'the only way to control this is go back into lockdown' is that a UK style lockdown is not enough, you know that now by the daily case count, but if you are going to go to lockdown... do it properly
(but I just don't think the folks in the UK will accept what 'do it properly' means)

 

[drdel]

In my own circumstances we talked about it with my parents (mid 70's) and they made it clear that their wish was to see both us and their grandchild. They were aware of the risks and possible consequences however they didn't want to spend the next 3, 6 or 9 months without seeing their family. My other half's mum is late 60's and she's been very much the same, she wants to have as normal a life as possible and for her that includes seeing her grandchildren. We're all going into this with our eyes wide open.

Seems rational in isolation, but if everyone decided to follow your family's example the numbers of infections will continue to rise.

 

[GB72]

Seems rational in isolation, but if everyone decided to follow your family's example the numbers of infections will continue to rise.

It is a fair point and the one that is at the bottom of all breaches and issues, what is more important to you, being able to live your life or living your life at a massively reduced risk of illness but subject to significant restrictions on what you can or cannot do.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Seems rational in isolation, but if everyone decided to follow your family's example the numbers of infections will continue to rise.

yeah but completely within the rules and laws, so lets not judge and be negative

In my own circumstances we talked about it with my parents (mid 70's) and they made it clear that their wish was to see both us and their grandchild. They were aware of the risks and possible consequences however they didn't want to spend the next 3, 6 or 9 months without seeing their family. My other half's mum is late 60's and she's been very much the same, she wants to have as normal a life as possible and for her that includes seeing her grandchildren. We're all going into this with our eyes wide open.

Cheers.

 

[road2ruin]

Seems rational in isolation, but if everyone decided to follow your family's example the numbers of infections will continue to rise.

I'm talking about what is allowed in the present circumstances though, as things stand what we are doing is without the boundaries. Obviously if the Government announce that you aren't allowed to visit the home of another person or that you cannot do overnight stays then we will have to change our behaviour.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I am not judging, as it is so individual in my eyes. However one big issue I have within myself, is that I am not sure I can live with the thought, that I past on the virus, if that leads to a death, with say my mum or my wifes side[all 70s +]. I took the decision that I am not seeing certain people inside as a result(its been a pain!), as not sure I could live with that thought. Haven't even had a cuddle of the new born baby grandchild or mum or like since. But it doesn't all feel right and not sure its right, if there is such a thing as right, in these times. And am slowly realising this isn't workable in the medium term(ie like now!), so are re-assessing as such. Think I am going to build a room with a room, with plastic sheeting and bought some proper masks and stuff like that.

Out of interest, how are you coping with the issue about if you happen to pass it on ? is it just that they decided what was best for them, so kind of what will be, will be and at least they were doing what they wanted and were happy ?

I am doing everything within the rules and what I see to be reasonable practicable to ensure I do not get it. I have given my parents a choice if they want me and their grandchildren to see them or not. I am in now way forcing myself on them, it is their choice. If I do go and see them I will be socially distancing and assuming it's not hoying it down probably be sat in their garden. So kind of yes, if it's OK with them it's OK with me. If they have any doubts then they will tell me and I won't bother going to see them. There have been several occasions before when I have not seen them on their request. I think their attitude has slightly changed as well as mine. It's our appetite for risk (within the rules and guidance) but I understand that will be different for everyone depending on their personal circumstances. And that is fine.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Seems rational in isolation, but if everyone decided to follow your family's example the numbers of infections will continue to rise.

Them's the governments rules, and as all golfers know, we just follow them rules and trust that the rule setters know what they are doing.

 

[drdel]

It is an observation I make no criticism of anyones choice. The issue is that infection control relies on the vast majority of the population avoid interactons: of course that comes with a personal and economic cost. It is called social responsibility.

Do we need be told rules and then try and circumvent them when the common sense logic behind the guidance is pretty obvious

 

[Hacker Khan]

It is an observation I make no criticism of anyones choice. The issue is that infection control relies on the vast majority of the population avoid interactons: of course that comes with a personal and economic cost. It is called social responsibility.

Do we need be told rules and then try and circumvent them when the common sense logic behind the guidance is pretty obvious

Is there anything me or R2R has said that is circumnavigating the rules? We are literally following the currently rules and have said that if the rules change we will adhere to them. If the rules are not sufficient in your opinion then look the rule makers, not those that are following them.

 

[bobmac]

When lockdown started, I went shopping once every 10-12 days and at 6.30 am.
Then as the cases fell, I went shopping once a week at 10 am.
I have now gone back to 6.30 am every 10-12 days.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I was in contact with my girlfriend's son on Sunday, he had a test on Monday and it was positive. My girlfriend and I ordered tests which we have done and posted back today. Now we wait and isolate.

#bored.com

 

[drdel]

Is there anything me or R2R has said that is circumnavigating the rules? We are literally following the currently rules and have said that if the rules change we will adhere to them. If the rules are not sufficient in your opinion then look the rule makers, not those that are following them.

I was not addressing the comment to you or anyone else. I was making an observation.

I'd ask why, as an intelligent person, you need to rely upon or question any rules that are simply reinforcing common sense

 

[AmandaJR]

I drove past a secondary school yesterday at kicking out time. Watched them charge around on their bikes, delighted to be free from school, laughing and enjoying life. No way, at their age, would I have felt either vulnerable to disease nor responsible enough to consider my impact on others health.

I would say at 18 years old certainly the latter would/should have changed and I'd be prepared to make sacrifices for the older generation who were at risk. As a result I struggle to feel sympathy for the university students who didn't follow social distancing rules and are having to pay a price for that behaviour.

 

[Beezerk]

When lockdown started, I went shopping once every 10-12 days and at 6.30 am.
Then as the cases fell, I went shopping once a week at 10 am.
I have now gone back to 6.30 am every 10-12 days.

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Just to digress slightly, wasn't there accusations of scare mongering the other week when the scientist said we could get 50,000 cases a day if we continued as we were?
Not a bad guess looking at that chart.

 

[Jamesbrown]

Got to site an hour ago, checked emails.
Got sent a travel pass again from Whitehall like I got given before last lockdown. It’s either just in case or somethings brewing.
Ideally if anything is coming could do with that after the 21st. Birthday break in a cottage and hot tub.