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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

We are due to be in Lakes for a week from next Saturday. We need the break. That is unless Barrow-in-Furness goes into special measures and takes the whole South Lakes with it. But we keep our fingers crossed.

Assuming we go, my B-i-L is coming down from Chesterfield to look after our cats for the week - he has has been cooped up with his (90yr old) mum all year keeping her and himself safe - and is desperate for a break and some time by himself (she's driving him nuts and he doesn't get out much from the house at all) - so he's really looking forward to coming down to our place for a holiday.

Unless North Derbyshire goes into special measures - which is possible if Sheffield does - as our son in Sheffield is going to drive him down - and our son is desperate to see us for a day before going back up north. But he might not be able to if Sheffield goes into special measures.

So much depends upon so much. We've built a house of cards...but we could just say - you know what...every one of us (six inc. my sons partner) have been taking all the care we have to take, and we have all followed the rules as diligently as we can and must. And so we might just say - we're going to the Lakes, my son is driving my B-i-L down - he's going to have the break he desperately needs and my son will see us - and we are pretty sure we'll all be OK and no risk to any community or any other individual.

But me and my Mrs aren't 100% happy with that - and so unless it ALL hangs together - we might just knock it all on the head. Which will be very disappointing and difficult for us all. But there you go :(
 
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drdel said:
I was not addressing the comment to you or anyone else. I was making an observation.

I'd ask why, as an intelligent person, you need to rely upon or question any rules that are simply reinforcing common sense
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Yes cause relying on people to exercise their common sense and not setting down rules for them to follow will get us out of this...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
We are due to be in Lakes for a week from next Saturday. We need the break. That is unless Barrow-in-Furness goes into special measures and takes the whole South Lakes with it. But we keep our fingers crossed.

Assuming we go, my B-i-L is coming down from Chesterfield to look after our cats for the week - he has has been cooped up with his (90yr old) mum all year keeping her and himself safe - and is desperate for a break and some time by himself (she's driving him nuts and he doesn't get out much from the house at all) - so he's really looking forward to coming down to our place for a holiday.

Unless North Derbyshire goes into special measures - which is possible if Sheffield does - as our son in Sheffield is going to drive him down - and our son is desperate to see us for a day before going back up north. But he might not be able to if Sheffield goes into special measures.

So much depends upon so much. We've built a house of cards...but we could just say - you know what...every one of us (six inc. my sons partner) have been taking all the care we have to take, and we have all followed the rules as diligently as we can and must. And so we might just say - we're going to the Lakes, my son is driving my B-i-L down - he's going to have the break he desperately needs and my son will see us - and we are pretty sure we'll all be OK and no risk to any community or any other individual.

But me and my Mrs aren't 100% happy with that - and so unless it ALL hangs together - we might just knock it all on the head. Which will be very disappointing and difficult for us all. But there you go :(
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I think you should knock it on the head. Sorry. I wouldn't do that trip in a fit.

In my view, there is too much moving around to and from places of high risk. That is precisely how superspreading takes place. There was an example in NI recently of a couple who went for a weekend away, less than 30 miles from home and infected 40 people over a weekend.

Your BIL will be going back to 90 year old mum, BIL himself is no chicken, and unfortunately all the care you have been taking counts for nothing if one person introduces the virus into the circle.
 
Ethan said:
I think you should knock it on the head. Sorry. I wouldn't do that trip in a fit.

In my view, there is too much moving around to and from places of high risk. That is precisely how superspreading takes place. There was an example in NI recently of a couple who went for a weekend away, less than 30 miles from home and infected 40 people over a weekend.

Your BIL will be going back to 90 year old mum, BIL himself is no chicken, and unfortunately all the care you have been taking counts for nothing if one person introduces the virus into the circle.
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Yes - I know you are right...but risk to my BiL (and hence to my MiL) would seem to be very low where we are in Surrey/Hants borders. And he wouldnt be minglin’. And we wouldnt be doing much other than walking from isolated accommodation in the lakes. Just keep fingers crossed all hangs together.

Our concern is not for us or our lad - but for my BiL and his mental health...which is taking a battering on many fronts. He’s the one who really needs the break and that we wish to help by vacating our home for a week for him to use.
 
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SocketRocket said:
Hands, Space, Face. It's not a great deal to understand.
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Is that after we’ve:

Stayed at home
Protected the NHS
Saved lives

or then when we:

Stayed Alert
Controlled The Virus
Saved Lives

Or

Rule of six...........
 
Hacker Khan said:
Yes cause relying on people to exercise their common sense and not setting down rules for them to follow will get us out of this...
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In a way , you are both right. But HK makes an indisputable point.
If you left it to common sense, honourable and sensible people would take the necessary care.
But a lot, and in this country now it is a lot, of people are choosing not to have those attributes, so rules as opposed to guidance, are necessary for them- but , of course, some are also defiant and they readily break the rules, making it easy to lay the blame on the rule makers .Because, even that defiance is not acknowledged by many, for various nefarious reasons.

It boils down to " Einstein was right"
 
Give people a reason to break rules they don‘t like or don’t believe in, and some will do so - especially when the referee is poor or weak, and the penalty is not harsh enough nor rarely applied. I think we are seeing in the behaviour of many a rather entitled and arrogant aspect of the UK that is doing us no favours.?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Give people a reason to break rules they don‘t like or don’t believe in, and some will do so - especially when the referee is poor or weak, and the penalty is not harsh enough nor rarely applied. I think we are seeing in the behaviour of many a rather entitled and arrogant aspect of the UK that is doing us no favours.?
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Rather ironic when a few posts ago and you sought to justify an ill advised trip.
 
SocketRocket said:
Not sure if that is aimed at my post as you haven't quoted. If it is then it's a bit pathetic and making light of the most important rule.
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Apologies - it wasn't aimed at your post - it was in response to one or more posts that seem have suggested (perhaps - I may have misunderstood) that neat little 'rule of three' phrases dreamt up by whoever, are all very well...but they, in themselves, can seem to trivialise something that is extremely serious - and could become perceived to be a bit of a joke - and there are some who will take that as a reason to ignore.

I gave you exhibit #1 - referring to the countries coronavirus suppression strategy as a very simple children's game that some of us hadn't even heard of - when it wasn't even a sensible tag as all that happens is that the 'whacked' pops up somewhere else.
 
drdel said:
Rather ironic when a few posts ago and you sought to justify an ill advised trip.
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Yes indeed I did. And no need for the dig as I was simply demonstrating that the temptation to do what is 'our will' is in us all when we often know 'what is right'. I aim to live in accordance with 'what is right' rather than what I want to do - as is the case in this instance.

My point being that, as we have seen in many different situations in golf and in life discussed on this forum, that many prefer to do what they want to do rather than what is right...and what is best for others and the wider community. And that is what we see in the attitude to many in respect of virus transmission limitation measures.

The dig was quite unnecessary.
 
Beezerk said:
Just to digress slightly, wasn't there accusations of scare mongering the other week when the scientist said we could get 50,000 cases a day if we continued as we were?
Not a bad guess looking at that chart.
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Correct a lot of chimps calling it 'project fear', despite them (Whitby & Vallance) clearly stating it wasn't a prediction.

All quiet now...
 
bobmac said:
When lockdown started, I went shopping once every 10-12 days and at 6.30 am.
Then as the cases fell, I went shopping once a week at 10 am.
I have now gone back to 6.30 am every 10-12 days.

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Whilst not as formal as you, I've also started to reign in on areas where I had begun to be less cautious/careful about.
Yesterday globally was a new high of 358K cases, with Europe back setting the pace again, like a few months ago ?
 
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