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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

GB72 said:
What has confused me is what side some people are arguing on. When they say 'why is OK for pubs to open and for people to be in there but I can only have 15 people at my wedding or I can only meet 6 people at home' are they arguing that pubs should be shut or that what they want to do should be allowed. The argument seems to work both ways.

What I suspect most of them mean is 'I am annoyed that I cannot do what I had planned to do' and not 'for the good of the nation we should be applying stricter regulations across the board to minimise the spread of covid'
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No doubt there are selfish people in the world, but we didn’t need a pandemic to prove that.

Maybe, just maybe there is a chance you are over thinking or over analysing what some are saying, maybe, just like on here, people are just wondering or “chewin the fat” etc when asking these questions and there is no ulterior motive.
 
Kaz said:
I can see that schools should be open if possible but we all know they are a breeding ground for illness even in normal years. Lots of kids will get it and inevitably pass it on to their parents.

Seems to me there should be restrictions on people who have kids in school to try and stop them passing it on further? Or is that a step too far? Maybe. But might help keep the schools open.
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OK, may be unpopular take here. But what if the vast vast majority of pupils are not at risk of any serious illness if they do get it. And the vast majority of parents at risk either. Then does it make sense to protect more those that are at risk, rather than further interrupting kids education, many of which are already falling behind to various extents? I'm not 100% convinced myself, but then again I am not convinced we should be shutting schools down or restricting access either unless that is the last resort.
 
Another record day for positive tests, but the R number is only arounf 1.5. If I remember correctly the r number at thw height of wave 1 was around 5? If thats true thats awful lot of people who have already had it without ever being tested/being really ill or even showing symptoms ?
 
GB72 said:
Results in another interesting position. If their job cannot be carried out, by their own admission, then they should be furloughed. Cannot be furloughed as the scheme has ended, they cannot work a third of their hours so do not qualify as having a viable job, only solution is that they are all made redundant. Not a fair expenditure of public money to pay them all to do nothing until their is a vaccine, which would appear to be the only solution to this.
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Get them fitted for a proper mask and tell them to get on with it!
 
Imurg said:
Mmmm..interesting times.
There has been a ballot of PCS members - one of the main Driving Examiner Unions.
They polled the Examiners and the results show serious H&S concerns amongst them.
86% believed it not safe for them to work
96% believed they shouldn't be forced to work
90% believe candidates should have to take a Covid test before taking their driving test
73% were prepared to take action in support of the findings.
Worth noting that not all examiners are in PCS but most are.
So if they don't think its safe and are ready to "down tools" where does that leave me.?
No tests means no point in learning.......another couple of months off.....:rolleyes::unsure:
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Us at work in the union used these excuses to try and not have to work and get paid for it. No real fear or real concerns just wanted the time off. ? until Whitehall declared us essential then we had to get on with it.
Funnily enough work for us has become has become our last place of freedom and normality besides home.
 
Been out and about today and was surprised how many places aren’t using QR code’s for logging locations and people even where they had them nobody was checking if people were able to use them.

We have had them at the club since Tuesday.
 
Been to the local for our regular early Friday evening drink.

A notice outside advises customers they won’t be admitted without a mask. You must check in at the door, strict table only service and if your bum leaves your seat for any reason your mask goes on.

All in all, very well observed by most. There will always be one or two who flout elements of it, such as not waiting to be shown to a table, but that’s life. There will never be 100% compliance with anything.
 
Widely reported new covid tracing app in Eng/Wal struggling already, seems ok in Wales but not England, can't link to certain testing facilities (NHS Eng/PHE) - why months into this are these problems not foreseeable or ironed out before making the widely available - rushed? Why is it not fully tested? Disappointing.
Outside of hard lockdowns for all or a vaccine (some way off and perhaps impossible), all we have to work with is a reliable test and trace system to gain any serious control over this virus whilst keeping life as close to normal as possible. Got to get this right.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...ed-to-new-nhs-app-developers-suggest-12082178
 
maxfli65 said:
Widely reported new covid tracing app in Eng/Wal struggling already, seems ok in Wales but not England, can't link to certain testing facilities (NHS Eng/PHE) - why months into this are these problems not foreseeable or ironed out before making the widely available - rushed? Why is it not fully tested? Disappointing.
Outside of hard lockdowns for all or a vaccine (some way off and perhaps impossible), all we have to work with is a reliable test and trace system to gain any serious control over this virus whilst keeping life as close to normal as possible. Got to get this right.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...ed-to-new-nhs-app-developers-suggest-12082178
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All valid questions.. unfortunately the response would be judged as political and hence best avoided
 
Went to my local Sainsbury's early this morning half expecting to see a longer queue with a view to panic buying. Everything was normal, everyone (staff included) were wearing a mask and everyone kept their distance. I almost enjoyed myself.
 
SatchFan said:
Went to my local Sainsbury's early this morning half expecting to see a longer queue with a view to panic buying. Everything was normal, everyone (staff included) were wearing a mask and everyone kept their distance. I almost enjoyed myself.
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I saw one or two stupid people panic buying bog roll today. Also there seemed to have been a run on tinned tomatoes. But other than that everything was fine and well stocked.
 
A question regarding the app. I went into my club after playing today, scanned the QR code. All good. Problem is, it doesn't log me out of the bar until midnight tonight :unsure:. What if someone enters the bar after I have left, later tests positive?The system thinks I'm still there. That can't be right.

Fine if everyone in the bar also has the app as it could show we were not close but if someone just signs in I'm stumped. Why not allow someone to log out using the app as well as logging in?
 
1st lesson today in something that can described as a bit more than chilly.
Fleece on, windows half open, heater on.....and it was flippin' freezing.....10°C and a 15mph wind.
Really can't wait for the cold, dark days of January.....hats, gloves, base layers and several other layers will be the order of the day....
Oh joy.....
 
Lord Tyrion said:
A question regarding the app. I went into my club after playing today, scanned the QR code. All good. Problem is, it doesn't log me out of the bar until midnight tonight :unsure:. What if someone enters the bar after I have left, later tests positive?The system thinks I'm still there. That can't be right.

Fine if everyone in the bar also has the app as it could show we were not close but if someone just signs in I'm stumped. Why not allow someone to log out using the app as well as logging in?
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You won't actually be there though, so your phone won't come into contact with others.
 
bobmac said:
Vaccines undergoing trials at Oxford University and in Germany are the most likely candidates to be ready this year, experts have said, but there are also candidates being tested in the US, Russia and China.
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Not sure I share your same optimism, 6 months in and look where we are, square one more or less. Late 2021 has been noted as a more realistic roll out for any anti-virus for everyone. A lot of viruses have never had a successful vaccine so nothing is guaranteed.
Test and trace is key for now but with poor systems and half the population refusing to take part or refusing to isolate when told to, it seems a bit futile.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
A question regarding the app. I went into my club after playing today, scanned the QR code. All good. Problem is, it doesn't log me out of the bar until midnight tonight :unsure:. What if someone enters the bar after I have left, later tests positive?The system thinks I'm still there. That can't be right.

Fine if everyone in the bar also has the app as it could show we were not close but if someone just signs in I'm stumped. Why not allow someone to log out using the app as well as logging in?
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We had exactly the same discussion in the clubhouse this morning. In theory, the app is fine for telling me if I have been in proximity to someone who then tests positive. But if someone without the app tests positive, and contact tracing of everyone registered at the club then kicks in via the app, nobody anywhere has the first clue whether I have even been at the club at the same time.

I’ll happily isolate if I have definitely been in close proximity to someone, identified via the app. But I am now sitting at home. If someone is currently in the clubhouse with the virus, having merely signed a sheet of A4 to book in because they don’t have the app, and I am traced via the app and told to isolate because I happened to register there at 7.30am today, I know what the answer will be.
 
maxfli65 said:
Not sure I share your same optimism, 6 months in and look where we are, square one more or less.
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And I don't share your pessimism.
However, my optimism is based on what scientists are saying and they have been working flat out since this started so to say we are more or less at square one is just wrong.
 
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