Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Crazyface]

The medics make me laugh. They can't even agree on the best course of action. Never trust someone with a degree in anything I say. LOL

 

[GB72]

Also, the rule of six thing. We have a bubble with my mum, who's on her own and comes to dinner on a Thursday and Sunday with us. Does she count as our household when our lad and family (totalling four) come for Sunday dinner as well?

Households are not relevant anymore in England, it is just 6 people and so if there are more than 6 (I am assuming 7 of you) then that is not allowed.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I do think the media is shifting towards a mantra of "we've had enough of this now - the country's financials have to come first". Of course we could debate this until the cows come home or a mod shuts it down but there is a real sense of a different attitude to the one we had back in March.

I think the public mood is shifting slowly to more of an attitude of we will try and live with this and even accept a (certain) level of deaths. With various reasons from the nut job anti vax conspiracists to those that are essentially very low risk and need the economy to continue to survive both financially and mentally. And I expect there will be more calls for the vulnerable to isolate more instead of blanket wide measures that will further shut down the economy and most peoples social lives. But I've been wrong before and no doubt will be wrong again.

 

[drdel]

It is rather sad that so much time seems to be spent trying to find ways to 'get around' the common sense of the guidelines and looking for loop holes.

Its a very infectious and potentially fatal virus that is transmitted between people, so personal hygiene and reducing social contact should be an obvious aim for any sensible human.

 

[Hacker Khan]

It is rather sad that so much time seems to be spent trying to find ways to 'get around' the common sense of the guidelines and looking for loop holes.

Its a very infectious and potentially fatal virus that is transmitted between people, so personal hygiene and reducing social contact should be an obvious aim for any sensible human.

But some may argue that for them it is not. As you end up in the arguments about it is OK to meet in pubs and workplaces but not in houses, you can do one thing in England but not in Scotland etc etc.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

It is rather sad that so much time seems to be spent trying to find ways to 'get around' the common sense of the guidelines and looking for loop holes.

Its a very infectious and potentially fatal virus that is transmitted between people, so personal hygiene and reducing social contact should be an obvious aim for any sensible human.

How do you look after the sensible who have to work and be put in to situations they have no choice over.

It’s not a perfect world or a one solution fits all scenarios.

 

[Mudball]

You want some good conspiracy... here one from Whatsapp >>
A drug called Remdesivir, manufactured by Gilead Sciences, is now being reported as the ultimate “CURE” for COVID-19. But it gets interesting...
The patent for Remdesivir is currently held by China through an agreement with Gilead’s drug patent sharing subsidiary, called UNITAID.
UNITAID just happens to have an office near Wuhan, CHINA!
You gotta be kiddin' me!
Can you guess who some major investors in UNITAID might be? You don't know?
Well, how about none other than George Soros, Bill & Melinda Gates, and WHO (World Health Organization). You gotta be kiddin' me!
I know what you’re thinking! Just coincidence!
Well, here’s another coincidence. Both Gilead Sciences & UNITAID were financial backers of Hillary Clinton in the last election. You gotta be kiddin' me!
Another coincidence - Dr. Fauci authorized millions of American dollars to be sent to The Wuhan Institute of Virology in China, specifically to study Coronaviruses.
You gotta be kiddin' me!
Oh, did I mention Dr. Fauci’s wife works for Gilead Sciences?
You gotta be kiddinn' me!
What do you think?
Just coincidences! Nothing to see here folks, just keep moving along.
It’s no wonder Dr. Fauci slapped down hydroxychloroquine, inexpensive, been around 60+ years, proven safety record, even though its success rate was very favorable. Why? Because he was told to!! The news media backed him up all the way!
It’s amazing what you find when you follow the money!!
Here’s a link to the full, very thorough report.
Do you detect political considerations? Just a coincidence?
CLICK BELOW
https://civilianintelligencenetwork...gates-partner-with-china-on-coronavirus-drug/

 

[Kellfire]

What are your sources?

I assume you’re being facetious as the conspiracy theorists are all over social media and even the news at times these days.

 

[Ethan]

You want some good conspiracy... here one from Whatsapp >>
A drug called Remdesivir, manufactured by Gilead Sciences, is now being reported as the ultimate “CURE” for COVID-19. But it gets interesting...
The patent for Remdesivir is currently held by China through an agreement with Gilead’s drug patent sharing subsidiary, called UNITAID.
UNITAID just happens to have an office near Wuhan, CHINA!
You gotta be kiddin' me!
Can you guess who some major investors in UNITAID might be? You don't know?
Well, how about none other than George Soros, Bill & Melinda Gates, and WHO (World Health Organization). You gotta be kiddin' me!
I know what you’re thinking! Just coincidence!
Well, here’s another coincidence. Both Gilead Sciences & UNITAID were financial backers of Hillary Clinton in the last election. You gotta be kiddin' me!
Another coincidence - Dr. Fauci authorized millions of American dollars to be sent to The Wuhan Institute of Virology in China, specifically to study Coronaviruses.
You gotta be kiddin' me!
Oh, did I mention Dr. Fauci’s wife works for Gilead Sciences?
You gotta be kiddinn' me!
What do you think?
Just coincidences! Nothing to see here folks, just keep moving along.
It’s no wonder Dr. Fauci slapped down hydroxychloroquine, inexpensive, been around 60+ years, proven safety record, even though its success rate was very favorable. Why? Because he was told to!! The news media backed him up all the way!
It’s amazing what you find when you follow the money!!
Here’s a link to the full, very thorough report.
Do you detect political considerations? Just a coincidence?
CLICK BELOW
https://civilianintelligencenetwork...gates-partner-with-china-on-coronavirus-drug/

I think some people are kidding him.

Hydroxychloroquine simply has no useful effect in Covid. Multiple reliably conducted studies, none of which have included Bill Gates, George Soros or Dr Fauci's wife, have shown no useful role for it, and some concluded it was potentially harmful.

That rambling conspiracy theory has been dissected comprehensively, but amongst other issues, China does not hold the patent for remdesivir and Unitaid does not have an office anywhere in China.

 

[drdel]

How do you look after the sensible who have to work and be put in to situations they have no choice over.

It’s not a perfect world or a one solution fits all scenarios.

You'll notice I said "...reducing social contact..." I recognise that there will be exceptions but employers should also be adopting COVID guidance so workers should not be put in compromised environments.

We have lived with season flu causing many thousands to die each year so we ought not to need politicians to tell us what's sensible actions for infectious diseases and there's even less need for a media to create a constant bitching and contradictory hype.

 

[Robster59]

Why has the North West got the top 10 highest areas of infection? Very strange. What are they doing there?

Far more sociable than them miserable buggers down south

 

[GB72]

You'll notice I said "...reducing social contact..." I recognise that there will be exceptions but employers should also be adopting COVID guidance so workers should not be put in compromised environments.

We have lived with season flu causing many thousands to die each year so we ought not to need politicians to tell us what's sensible actions for infectious diseases and there's even less need for a media to create a constant bitching and contradictory hype.

This is what gets me, the constant bleating for people to be told what to do. Surely everyone has the basics now, wash hands, social distance, masks indoors. Stick to that and you are 90% there to keeping yourself as safe as possible.

 

[Robster59]

I think some people are kidding him.

Hydroxychloroquine simply has no useful effect in Covid. Multiple reliably conducted studies, none of which have included Bill Gates, George Soros or Dr Fauci's wife, have shown no useful role for it, and some concluded it was potentially harmful.

That rambling conspiracy theory has been dissected comprehensively, but amongst other issues, China does not hold the patent for remdesivir and Unitaid does not have an office anywhere in China.

The trouble is that anything can be made up nowadays and put on to the internet to allow people to process their own agenda. Keyboard warriors cause more damage than I care to think about. Remember the MMR Conspiracy which has now put millions of children at risk? It happens with Covid for sure but I saw one from a relative in the States (he's a real gun nut) who posted a video from the NRA that tried to intimate that us Brits wanted guns legalised, showed people protesting against a hunting ban (without, funnily enough, saying it was about fox hunting), speaking to "a policeman" in silhouette saying that the Police wanted guns, and other such BS. I went on and basically pulled the whole thing to bits. He apologised, but he was quite ready to believe it because it suited his own personal agenda.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I think the public mood is shifting slowly to more of an attitude of we will try and live with this and even accept a (certain) level of deaths. With various reasons from the nut job anti vax conspiracists to those that are essentially very low risk and need the economy to continue to survive both financially and mentally. And I expect there will be more calls for the vulnerable to isolate more instead of blanket wide measures that will further shut down the economy and most peoples social lives. But I've been wrong before and no doubt will be wrong again.

You are not alone in that thought.

It is rather sad that so much time seems to be spent trying to find ways to 'get around' the common sense of the guidelines and looking for loop holes.

Its a very infectious and potentially fatal virus that is transmitted between people, so personal hygiene and reducing social contact should be an obvious aim for any sensible human.

Surely the solution to which is to provide guidance without loopholes, or which do not appear to defy logic.

But some may argue that for them it is not. As you end up in the arguments about it is OK to meet in pubs and workplaces but not in houses, you can do one thing in England but not in Scotland etc etc.

I think a lot of the issue is the apparent inconsistencies in the guidance that have been highlighted. Either the guidance needs to be much clearer, or some degree of explanation needs to be provided.

You will always have the stupid and the selfish who don't understand or who consider their personal circumstances more important than the greater good; forget them, you can't change them. What you don't want to lose is the middle ground who see the need for the restrictions, but struggle to understand some of them. Why can you not meet family indoors but can meet them in the pub; why can you drink in a pub at 10pm, but not at 10.01pm; why do you not need a mask on to play golf because of the reduced risk of transmission outdoors, but you need to wear one on the open deck of a ferry?

People looking for loopholes will use the apparent inconsistencies, people confused or frustrated by them are less inclined to follow them. Explain the inconsistencies to them, or eliminate them, and there might be far fewer issues.

 

[ColchesterFC]

People looking for loopholes

A loophole for a family Xmas - If you want to have a family Xmas with more than 6 people then the answer is simple. Get a live turkey and kill it in your garden. Pop it in the oven and invite up to 30 people round for the turkey's funeral (cremation).

 

[Ethan]

You are not alone in that thought.



Surely the solution to which is to provide guidance without loopholes, or which do not appear to defy logic.



I think a lot of the issue is the apparent inconsistencies in the guidance that have been highlighted. Either the guidance needs to be much clearer, or some degree of explanation needs to be provided.

You will always have the stupid and the selfish who don't understand or who consider their personal circumstances more important than the greater good; forget them, you can't change them. What you don't want to lose is the middle ground who see the need for the restrictions, but struggle to understand some of them. Why can you not meet family indoors but can meet them in the pub; why can you drink in a pub at 10pm, but not at 10.01pm; why do you not need a mask on to play golf because of the reduced risk of transmission outdoors, but you need to wear one on the open deck of a ferry?

People looking for loopholes will use the apparent inconsistencies, people confused or frustrated by them are less inclined to follow them. Explain the inconsistencies to them, or eliminate them, and there might be far fewer issues.

In my opinion, the big distinction is between inside and outside, and this has been blurred too much in recent English guidance, less so in other places. If you practice common sense, then being outside is safe enough whether you are chasing grouse or birdies. Inside is where the major risk of transmission lies, in pubs, workplaces, shops, homes. I don't see the logic behind the 10pm pub closure. Is there really evidence that people will exercise better judgement with an earlier closing time? It will hurt wages for staff on an hourly rate.

Schools remain a big swing issue. If public confidence in school opening fails, there will be trouble. Yesterday my son's secondary school reported a case and some kids in the bubble sent on self-isolation. My son wasn't in that bubble. On FB, some responses were hysterical, with people saying that they knew schools weren't safe etc etc. I pointed out to them that they better brace themselves because this is only the first of many, and every school in the country will have multiple such cases.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You'll notice I said "...reducing social contact..." I recognise that there will be exceptions but employers should also be adopting COVID guidance so workers should not be put in compromised environments.

We have lived with season flu causing many thousands to die each year so we ought not to need politicians to tell us what's sensible actions for infectious diseases and there's even less need for a media to create a constant bitching and contradictory hype.

This is like nothing we’ve ever seen in out lifetime, using your analogies, Why do people smoke, drink, speed, take drugs etc? Life comes with risks and choices and with Covid-19 some Governments gave choice or blurred lines and then blame everybody else, we all have a part to play in walks of life and not one area is innocent in all this.

Time for the authorities to remove choice not continually gamble and keep blaming the media.

 

[SocketRocket]

You are not alone in that thought.



Surely the solution to which is to provide guidance without loopholes, or which do not appear to defy logic.

I think a lot of the issue is the apparent inconsistencies in the guidance that have been highlighted. Either the guidance needs to be much clearer, or some degree of explanation needs to be provided.

You will always have the stupid and the selfish who don't understand or who consider their personal circumstances more important than the greater good; forget them, you can't change them. What you don't want to lose is the middle ground who see the need for the restrictions, but struggle to understand some of them. Why can you not meet family indoors but can meet them in the pub; why can you drink in a pub at 10pm, but not at 10.01pm; why do you not need a mask on to play golf because of the reduced risk of transmission outdoors, but you need to wear one on the open deck of a ferry?

People looking for loopholes will use the apparent inconsistencies, people confused or frustrated by them are less inclined to follow them. Explain the inconsistencies to them, or eliminate them, and there might be far fewer issues.

The more it's clarified the more people will complain that it's too complicated. The basics are simple, no one should have a problem understanding them. Regarding things like being able to meet down the pub but not at home doesnt need much explanation but gets used to try and breed confusion for the sake of it. Wash your hands, keep a space, wear a mask, no more than six, how difficult is that for people to understand.

 

[GB72]

The more it's clarified the more people will complain that it's too complicated. The basics are simple, no one should have a problem understanding them. Regarding things like being able to meet down the pub but not at home doesnt need much explanation but gets used to try and breed confusion for the sake of it. Wash your hands, keep a space, wear a mask, no more than six, how difficult is that for people to understand.

Sadly people feign confusion in order to excuse their breaches of the regulations or so as they can simply do as they like and claim they did not understand. I read an article yesterday that people were saying that they still did not understand social distancing. Really, after 6 months.

 

[Blue in Munich]

The more it's clarified the more people will complain that it's too complicated. The basics are simple, no one should have a problem understanding them. Regarding things like being able to meet down the pub but not at home doesnt need much explanation but gets used to try and breed confusion for the sake of it. Wash your hands, keep a space, wear a mask, no more than six, how difficult is that for people to understand.

But yet you've chosen not to? As it won't take much, please do explain to those that don't get it?