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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Doon frae Troon said:
Thousands of strangers all crammed into a tight space shouting, screaming, sneezing, coughing and singing is a bit different don't you think.
It is going to be years before football fans will be allowed back in their previous numbers.
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Have you never seen a rave, hundreds sometimes thousands, crammed into a confined area and certainly not "socially distancing".

I am not calling for a return of crowds at sporting events but I cannot see much difference, other than perhaps numbers, between the two types of gathering.
 
MetalMickie said:
Have you never seen a rave, hundreds sometimes thousands, crammed into a confined area and certainly not "socially distancing".

I am not calling for a return of crowds at sporting events but I cannot see much difference, other than perhaps numbers, between the two types of gathering.
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A garden party where most people attending would be within touching distance of 8 people for 2 solid hours would be a very strange affair.
 
MetalMickie said:
But where does that leave those who told us that the football match at Anfield and the Cheltenham Festival in March significantly contributed to the original spikes in those areas?

And both were essentially outdoors events ?

Do gatherings and parties etc; not contribute in the same way?
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Not 100% sure I get the point. My point was replying to a post that stated that people not following the rules will cause a spike. And my point was that people following rules and doing what they have been asked to do for various political and economic reasons may also be contributing, as well as cheesy quavers and party goers. And there is a danger in just thinking it is rule ignoring ne'er-do-wells that will cause spikes. As I have said before, the re-opening of society and the economy will cause an increase just by the nature that it will increase physical interaction between people and that is how the virus spreads.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
A garden party where most people attending would be within touching distance of 8 people for 2 solid hours would be a very strange affair.
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Garden parties were clearly not what I was referring to. Indeed I am surprised that anyone would hold such an event in our climate?

My original post was in response to one which appeared to question the effect of raves and similar gatherings upon the transmission of the virus.
 
Hacker Khan said:
But has people not following rules causes the new spike? I know this is a certain narrative, but how much has people taking advantage of the eat out to help out and going back to restaurants and bars impacted this? How much has people going back on public transport to go back into city centres to work caused it? How much will schools and universities going back cause it?

Not saying these things were not needed, but I think we need to be careful assuming the spike is all the fault of people having house parties or raves as they can be an easy scapegoat for certain sections of our press.
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The main offenders are people who dont social distance and from what I can see there are plenty of these around.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
My understanding is that households at those few sorts of gatherings of up to 30 (that are allowed under the new regime) must still maintain social distancing...
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Not quite sure what you are getting at here.
Gatherings, and those exempt from the six rule, are clearly defined.
The SD is recommendation where possible.I say that, as opposed to mandatory as you suggest, because, for example, one of the exemptions from the six rule is "organised team sports......" I don't see S D possible there.?

Also, households are non SD by definition. That is recognised as a situation where SD can never have been practicable.

Personally, if My household were to attend a wedding or funeral we would still practice SD, acI would hope the others would. But if they didn't I don't see it breaking the law.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Not 100% sure I get the point. My point was replying to a post that stated that people not following the rules will cause a spike. And my point was that people following rules and doing what they have been asked to do for various political and economic reasons may also be contributing, as well as cheesy quavers and party goers. And there is a danger in just thinking it is rule ignoring ne'er-do-wells that will cause spikes. As I have said before, the re-opening of society and the economy will cause an increase just by the nature that it will increase physical interaction between people and that is how the virus spreads.
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Your points regarding the effect created by reopening the economy i agree with.

After all we must all accept that there is never likely to be 100% safety from the virus and, thus, we must decide what level of risk is acceptable.

However, perhaps unintentionally, you did appear to suggest that, in view of other risk factors, we should not be concerned by the type of gathering often attended by a 16 to 35 age group.

I certainly don't think such parties etc; are anything like the sole factor in the current rise in infections but, like crowds at sports events, they sure don't help in containing the spread.
 
bobmac said:
Anyone mixing with anyone unnecessarily in 2020 needs their bumps felt.
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Are you suggesting that all social contact is unnecessary?

Are you expecting 100% safety from the virus?

Life has to go on.
 
MetalMickie said:
Your points regarding the effect created by reopening the economy i agree with.

After all we must all accept that there is never likely to be 100% safety from the virus and, thus, we must decide what level of risk is acceptable.

However, perhaps unintentionally, you did appear to suggest that, in view of other risk factors, we should not be concerned by the type of gathering often attended by a 16 to 35 age group.

I certainly don't think such parties etc; are anything like the sole factor in the current rise in infections but, like crowds at sports events, they sure don't help in containing the spread.
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I think there is a concern but agree with your last sentence.

I think it is the same with every other subject that gets reported in the media, it is reduced down to some simple, often binary explanations that completely ignore the nuances and complexity of what is going on. Papers and increasingly the radio phone ins have done it for ages, and it never really helps.
 
bobmac said:
You go out if you want, I'm not
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And that's exactly how it should be. Those who are terrified of the virus should feel free to lock themselves away for the foreseeable future. For those who view the levels of risk as acceptable should be able to go about their life in the most normal way that is possible given present conditions IMO.
 
bobmac said:
Over 10,000 people in the UK tested positive over the last 3 days.
You go out if you want, I'm not
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10,000 = 0.015% of the population

And most of those appear to be condensed into certain large conurbations, all of which I avoid.

Obviously each of us is free to decide how much risk is acceptable to us as individuals but personally I refuse to become a prisoner until it is demanded by the regulations.

In the meantime I will continue to take appropriate precautions.
 
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Hacker Khan said:
I think there is a concern but agree with your last sentence.

I think it is the same with every other subject that gets reported in the media, it is reduced down to some simple, often binary explanations that completely ignore the nuances and complexity of what is going on. Papers and increasingly the radio phone ins have done it for ages, and it never really helps.
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I think I have said before that, in general, the media is not emerging from this in a good light.

Constantly attempting to, as you say, define every issue in binary terms; good or bad, young or old and so on.
 
bobmac said:
Over 10,000 people in the UK tested positive over the last 3 days.
You go out if you want, I'm not
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Of these 10,000, how many are in hospital; how many have died; and how many were asymptomatic?

If we are increasing the number of tests then we are going to find more people with it, the question is how badly are these people affected.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Of these 10,000, how many are in hospital; how many have died; and how many were asymptomatic?
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I don't really care. I do hope they all have a full recovery but in my opinion, the more contact I have with other people, the more chance I have of catching this potentially killer virus.

Blue in Munich said:
If we are increasing the number of tests then we are going to find more people with it, the question is how badly are these people affected.
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I'm aware of that and that they are also testing in 'hot spots' but people move about these days.

I'm not terrified of the virus, I still go out shopping but I keep these outings to a minimum and at early doors when there are less people about.
Tesco at 06.30 is perfect
 
bobmac said:
I don't really care. I do hope they all have a full recovery but in my opinion, the more contact I have with other people, the more chance I have of catching this potentially killer virus.



I'm aware of that and that they are also testing in 'hot spots' but people move about these days.

I'm not terrified of the virus, I still go out shopping but I keep these outings to a minimum and at early doors when there are less people about.
Tesco at 06.30 is perfect
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That's your choice, but how about presenting it slightly more reasonably in your original post?

My Mrs has just spent half an hour on the phone trying to reassure a member of staff with issues caused in no small part by people screaming about the number of cases and how the end of the world is nigh.

Simply shouting about the numbers is not helpful.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Not quite sure what you are getting at here.
Gatherings, and those exempt from the six rule, are clearly defined.
The SD is recommendation where possible.I say that, as opposed to mandatory as you suggest, because, for example, one of the exemptions from the six rule is "organised team sports......" I don't see S D possible there.?

Also, households are non SD by definition. That is recognised as a situation where SD can never have been practicable.

Personally, if My household were to attend a wedding or funeral we would still practice SD, acI would hope the others would. But if they didn't I don't see it breaking the law.
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Not getting at anything deep tbh - @MetalMickie raised a comparison between huge crowds at Anfield/Cheltenham and up to 30 individuals in a garden. My point is simply that the latter would happen under covid SD rules whereas the former clearly didn't - and so much less risk of infection at the garden party.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Not getting at anything deep tbh - @MetalMickie raised a comparison between huge crowds at Anfield/Cheltenham and up to 30 individuals in a garden. My point is simply that the latter would happen under covid SD rules whereas the former clearly didn't - and so much less risk of infection at the garden party.
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Actually I made no mention of groups of 30 or garden parties.

I was referring to raves a House Parties.

In any event, I may be wrong but I thought 30 as a limit applied only to hatch match and dispatch! i.e. christenings, weddings and funerals.
 
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