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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

AmandaJR said:
Individual redundancy consultation on Friday - at last. Will feel more settled knowing when and how much. Then I can decide how outraged to be!
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Don't waste your time being outraged Amanda. They won't be bumping their gums about you when they get home, pointless wasting your life/time on them. Book a meal somewhere nice, or stay in and crack a really good bottle of wine with some nice cheeses.

Very best wishes for Friday...
 
Ethan said:
As you might expect, I have rather less sympathy for the Govt position. All along, the Govt has lurched between breezy positivity and dire warnings. They needed a constant, calm and rational message but that just isn't their style.

For weeks, the public message has been of contracting air bridges and quarantine free travel in order to allow people to have holidays. It was obvious all along that a second wave or a bump in the first wave was likely if not inevitable. I believe therefore that the Govt gave an unreasonably positive message to the average punter, who does not go to the FCO website and assumed, reasonably, that of the airlines were allowed to fly and if some countries were on a green list, it was OK. What is needed is Johnson to stand up and tell people that ALL overseas travel anywhere is strongly discouraged unless critical, and that anyone who does travel will need full and comprehensive insurance for health, repatriation and anything else that may happen. He should also instruct travel companies and airlines to offer refunds to people who have booked and wish to cancel.

The Canary Islands are farther away from the current outbreak areas (Catalonia, Aragon) than London is. The infection rate in the Canaries is approx 8 per 100k, compared to 240 per 100k in Aragon and around 11 per 100k in the UK. There is no logical reason to sweep up the Canaries in this quarantine, which is unenforced and unenforceable anyway. Testing on return is a waste of time.

I have no plans to go on an overseas holiday this year unless there is a dramatic change.
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Figures given on BBC for UK is 8 per 100K
 
Wolf said:
Think you've summed it pretty well there.

We were due to fly out in 3 days time to Spain, but we cancelled it even after it was given the ok to go because we knew there was a chance restrictions could return so wasn't worth the risk of 14 days loss of pay.

As LT says perhaps they can look at something regional in perhaps allowing Island not mainland, mind you people will moan about that to being restrictive. But whatever they choose to do your last sentence nails it they are in a rock and a hard place and will get the blame regardless as people don't want to be at fault for their own poor decisions.
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People are ridiculous

They HAVE to have holidays. It drives me mental... Oh I can't cope If I don't get some sun. Do me a blooming favour

I'm glad companies and gov have said right If you have to isolate on return then it's unpaid as it was a choice to go abroad

People have already moaned why am I being punished for following the law. This is different..this isn't like self isolate for 14 days if you have symptoms this is a choice you made. You decided to go abroad.... The gov shouldn't bail you out if you get caught out.

Foreign travel should be banned until may next year minimum. Keep the virus contained to countries.
 
Hobbit said:
Don't waste your time being outraged Amanda. They won't be bumping their gums about you when they get home, pointless wasting your life/time on them. Book a meal somewhere nice, or stay in and crack a really good bottle of wine with some nice cheeses.

Very best wishes for Friday...
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You are 100% right but it's hard. Given so much of my life to that place. Without blowing my own trumpet I've given exemplary service and have seen the company grow...sadly into the horrible place it is now. It would just be nice to feel even a hint of gratitude. I'm prepared for the worst though!

Thank you.
 
pauljames87 said:
People are ridiculous

They HAVE to have holidays. It drives me mental... Oh I can't cope If I don't get some sun. Do me a blooming favour

I'm glad companies and gov have said right If you have to isolate on return then it's unpaid as it was a choice to go abroad

People have already moaned why am I being punished for following the law. This is different..this isn't like self isolate for 14 days if you have symptoms this is a choice you made. You decided to go abroad.... The gov shouldn't bail you out if you get caught out.

Foreign travel should be banned until may next year minimum. Keep the virus contained to countries.
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Top post. Agree 100% on all counts. Especially the bit about people moaning "they have to get away" No you don't. Plenty of wonderful (and arguably safer) places in the UK if you have to get away from your house. Anything else is a lottery with your health in my opinion and you know the implications if you decide to travel abroad
 
pauljames87 said:
People are ridiculous

They HAVE to have holidays. It drives me mental... Oh I can't cope If I don't get some sun. Do me a blooming favour

I'm glad companies and gov have said right If you have to isolate on return then it's unpaid as it was a choice to go abroad

People have already moaned why am I being punished for following the law. This is different..this isn't like self isolate for 14 days if you have symptoms this is a choice you made. You decided to go abroad.... The gov shouldn't bail you out if you get caught out.

Foreign travel should be banned until may next year minimum. Keep the virus contained to countries.
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What about the families who live apart? What about their mental health, people don’t only travel abroad for holidays.
 
pauldj42 said:
What about the families who live apart? What about their mental health, people don’t only travel abroad for holidays.
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Full sympathy for those who travel aboard for family reasons HOWEVER I'd say that's only 10% of those effected.

Also those won't be the people complaining about it!!!

HomerJSimpson said:
Top post. Agree 100% on all counts. Especially the bit about people moaning "they have to get away" No you don't. Plenty of wonderful (and arguably safer) places in the UK if you have to get away from your house. Anything else is a lottery with your health in my opinion and you know the implications if you decide to travel abroad
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Exactly. The UK is a beautiful place. Plus if more people travel in this country won't it boost OUR economy rather than another countries? ... The gov is just trying imo to prop up the travel industry
 
pauljames87 said:
Full sympathy for those who travel aboard for family reasons HOWEVER I'd say that's only 10% of those effected.

Also those won't be the people complaining about it!!!



Exactly. The UK is a beautiful place. Plus if more people travel in this country won't it boost OUR economy rather than another countries? ... The gov is just trying imo to prop up the travel industry
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How does it help the 10% if foreign travel is banned.

And why won’t they be complaining, their jobs could be on the line when they return.

Maybe, just maybe the situation isn’t as black n white as we’d like to believe.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Top post. Agree 100% on all counts. Especially the bit about people moaning "they have to get away" No you don't. Plenty of wonderful (and arguably safer) places in the UK if you have to get away from your house. Anything else is a lottery with your health in my opinion and you know the implications if you decide to travel abroad
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Lad I play football with lost his father a few weeks ago, his parents live in Spain and he hadn't seen them since February so it's been really tough for him recently. He was going for a long weekend this Thursday but he's cancelled due to the quarantine thing, he isn't happy but saw it as the sensible thing to do.
 
Ethan said:
As you might expect, I have rather less sympathy for the Govt position. All along, the Govt has lurched between breezy positivity and dire warnings. They needed a constant, calm and rational message
For weeks, the public message has been of contracting air bridges and quarantine free travel in order to allow people to have holidays. It was obvious all along that a second wave or a bump in the first wave was likely if not inevitable. I believe therefore that the Govt gave an unreasonably positive message to the average punter, who does not go to the FCO website and assumed, reasonably, that of the airlines were allowed to fly and if some countries were on a green list, it was OK. What is needed is Johnson to stand up and tell people that ALL overseas travel anywhere is strongly discouraged unless critical, and that anyone who does travel will need full and comprehensive insurance for health, repatriation and anything else that may happen. He should also instruct travel companies and airlines to offer refunds to people who have booked and wish to cancel.

The Canary Islands are farther away from the current outbreak areas (Catalonia, Aragon) than London is. The infection rate in the Canaries is approx 8 per 100k, compared to 240 per 100k in Aragon and around 11 per 100k in the UK. There is no logical reason to sweep up the Canaries in this quarantine, which is unenforced and unenforceable anyway. Testing on return is a waste of time.

I have no plans to go on an overseas holiday this year unless there is a dramatic change.
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Some good points which i agree with most of your comments but what I would say is just because the FCO said it was ok to travel it was never without risk.

It amazes me sometimes when people trust what politicians tell them and don’t think for themselves.
 
Beezerk said:
Lad I play football with lost his father a few weeks ago, his parents live in Spain and he hadn't seen them since February so it's been really tough for him recently. He was going for a long weekend this Thursday but he's cancelled due to the quarantine thing, he isn't happy but saw it as the sensible thing to do.
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See, this is a totally different kettle of fish completely to the family of four who assume it is their "right" to be in Spain on holiday every year regardless of whatever else is happening. I have a mate and his wife who own a property in Fuerteventura with a view to retiring soon and moving out. He's my best mate in the world (especially now I have no parent) and if anything happened to him or his wife I'd want to be out there to help and for me it would be like losing a brother so I get it.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
See, this is a totally different kettle of fish completely to the family of four who assume it is their "right" to be in Spain on holiday every year regardless of whatever else is happening. I have a mate and his wife who own a property in Fuerteventura with a view to retiring soon and moving out. He's my best mate in the world (especially now I have no parent) and if anything happened to him or his wife I'd want to be out there to help and for me it would be like losing a brother so I get it.
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Which is why it’s daft, imo, to 100% agree and call a post a top post when it suggests banning all foreign travel until next May.
 
pauljames87 said:
People are ridiculous

They HAVE to have holidays. It drives me mental... Oh I can't cope If I don't get some sun. Do me a blooming favour

I'm glad companies and gov have said right If you have to isolate on return then it's unpaid as it was a choice to go abroad

People have already moaned why am I being punished for following the law. This is different..this isn't like self isolate for 14 days if you have symptoms this is a choice you made. You decided to go abroad.... The gov shouldn't bail you out if you get caught out.

Foreign travel should be banned until may next year minimum. Keep the virus contained to countries.
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Ridiculous idea and things just aren't that simple or black and white. Just because that would probably suit you doesn't mean it suits everyone, the economy, amount of jobs that would cost and the mental impact as well it could have on so many people and not just because they want a holiday.

I should add to that there are many places in UK with higher Covid-19 rates than other countries or Spanish islands, so they'd be w safer place to visit than many places here at home. Whats the suggestion there ban all UK tourism as well ?
 
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pauldj42 said:
Which is why it’s daft, imo, to 100% agree and call a post a top post when it suggests banning all foreign travel until next May.
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Because in generic terms there is no absolute need for people to go there other than it's what they do every year. I have a sister in law in San Diego, and I know HID would move heaven and earth to try and get there if it was safe to do so if anything happened her sister or the kids. If it's a family death/serious illness that is a whole different thing. I'm talking about those wanting to go to Spain or elsewhere by choice and then moaning about the inconvenience of quarantine after
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Because in generic terms there is no absolute need for people to go there other than it's what they do every year. I have a sister in law in San Diego, and I know HID would move heaven and earth to try and get there if it was safe to do so if anything happened her sister or the kids. If it's a family death/serious illness that is a whole different thing. I'm talking about those wanting to go to Spain or elsewhere by choice and then moaning about the inconvenience of quarantine after
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And the post you 100% agreed with made no distinction and stated all foreign travel.
The Government quarantine rules on return make no distinction between holiday and family emergency.
 
imo The only blame lies with the government.

They opened travel rights and therefore invalidated everyone’s right to a refund. Travel agencies weren’t gong to give a penny back to anyone who was officially allowed to travel.

As to it being safer in The uk. really? We are statistically far more in trouble than many other countries and we also had significantly weaker policies to protect us.
 
Papas1982 said:
imo The only blame lies with the government.

They opened travel rights and therefore invalidated everyone’s right to a refund. Travel agencies weren’t gong to give a penny back to anyone who was officially allowed to travel.

As to it being safer in The uk. really? We are statistically far more in trouble than many other countries and we also had significantly weaker policies to protect us.
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Whilst we may not be safer in the UK at least covid wouldn't be being spread from country to country

Contain rather than let spread all round the world again and again
 
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