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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...stancing-rulebased-outdated-science-may-have/

Some more info on distancing as a lot are pushing for the 2m to be reduced to one metre

And as to the threat outdoors:
Prof Dingwall, an advocate of reducing social distancing to one metre, said that too many scientists were basing their calculations for safe distancing on transmission of the disease in the laboratory, failing to take into account real world conditions in which air flow played a huge part in dispersing the virus. He believes there is almost zero risk of catching Covid-19 outdoors and that one metre is sufficient for maintaining a safe social distance.

Yes, well where was Prof Dingwall when the lockdown first started and 2 metres was the yardstick(?).
There are now commercial pressures to replace 2 metres with 1 metre.
Publicans want 1 metre( wonder why?): pressure now about hairdressers, dentists and ,soon, I suspect, opticians.

Remember those autumn days when the temperatures meant your breath could be seen as a vapour. Just think about it. Do you want someone stood immediately behind you breathing all over your head, or looking into your eyes or mouth close up and you breathing their expelled air.
That's what it's about- breathing the expelled air of someone who has breathed the expelled air of some other person within the last few minutes, who has breathed the expelled......etc.
You are talking dentists, hairdressers, opticians....
You cannot change the facts about the nature of the job, just because the absence of their services is undesirable.
It has to be weighed up against what might happen health wise to you , if you do use them. ( Dentist need may be compelling)
The science doesn't change. Again, the science doesn't change.
 
Sadly 1 metre isnt going to help me much...as a driving instructor it needs to be gone completely....
Tests are supposed to restart on the 22nd and we cant even go back to work yet - hell, even Theory tests, when you sit in a office and work on a computer, are suspended until the 8th( minimum)
Talk of us going back for 4th July but I'm struggling to see how.
Nobody seems to know anything and nobody knows when they'll know something.
It's all getting a bit stressful and if I'm feeling stressed by it, I'm normally so laid back I'm horizontal, then times are getting bad.
Think I need a beer...
 
Sadly 1 metre isnt going to help me much...as a driving instructor it needs to be gone completely....
Tests are supposed to restart on the 22nd and we cant even go back to work yet - hell, even Theory tests, when you sit in a office and work on a computer, are suspended until the 8th( minimum)
Talk of us going back for 4th July but I'm struggling to see how.
Nobody seems to know anything and nobody knows when they'll know something.
It's all getting a bit stressful and if I'm feeling stressed by it, I'm normally so laid back I'm horizontal, then times are getting bad.
Think I need a beer...


take the 2nd grant and see where the land lies in August, oh and get the handicap down in the meantime ;)
 
take the 2nd grant and see where the land lies in August, oh and get the handicap down in the meantime ;)
Need some rain on the course first ....its blooming hard work at the moment.

It's not just the getting back to work...will people have enough money for lessons? If I need PPE, how much, how often, what cost, how long.
As it is I won't be able to do as many lessons in a day as the entire driver's side will need scrubbing down before and after every lesson..another extra cost while earnings fall...
Now, where's that beer.....
 
Just seen pictures of the demo in London today, not a lot of SD going on, track and tracers gonna have their work cut out if there is an outbreak.
 
I really don't like these protests in the UK. We've seen it on a number of occasions that while these may have good intentions to support the cause, it also seems to attract the rent-a-mob with an intent to cause damage and act illegally. Add in the distinct lack of social distancing which in the current situation with the R number so close to 1 and the potential should it rise over that mark of more restrictions, perhaps even a second lockdown, then there has to be a very good chance of infection spreading.

We now have landmarks being defaced and a policeman punched so how can this be seen as a peaceful protest and where is the social responsibility towards containing Covid?
 
Is anyone else concerned by the apparent flattening of the declining curve for daily recorded deaths on the 7 day rolling average which now seems to be flattening out quite significantly?

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Another concern is that on the day that the report was released confirming that BAME people were at higher risk from the virus we have thousands of people, with many being BAME, congregating for protests with little regard for social distancing. How many of them will have picked up the virus and be taking it back into households with higher risk individuals?
 
Putting approximate "best fit" lines through the data highlights the flattening of the curve. Was this to be expected as we progressed through the pandemic or could it be linked to relaxation of the lock down?

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Putting approximate "best fit" lines through the data highlights the flattening of the curve. Was this to be expected as we progressed through the pandemic or could it be linked to relaxation of the lock down?

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Looking at behaviour on the TV and local area, people seem to have become very relaxed, the Government message almost seems to have disappeared from peoples minds.
 
Putting approximate "best fit" lines through the data highlights the flattening of the curve. Was this to be expected as we progressed through the pandemic or could it be linked to relaxation of the lock down?

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A lot of it seems to be down to the way the numbers are presented to the public and also how or indeed when they are recorded. The was a graph which showed when the actual deaths occured and that gave a steady decline.

I’m not sure if the deaths from the virus could be attributed towards the easing of restrictions but the level of new cases could be
 
Putting approximate "best fit" lines through the data highlights the flattening of the curve. Was this to be expected as we progressed through the pandemic or could it be linked to relaxation of the lock down?

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It's very difficult to tell. I guess the trend line for that would be the one showing new infections. I think deaths are difficult to extrapolate due to the previous risk variables.
 
I am pleased to announce that when I left work today, we as an ICU are free of all Covid-19 patients. The last two were discharged to respiratory wards to continue their recovery. The only slight negative to that is a report from our Outreach team that there has been a spike in COvid admissions to short stay and HMU so the respite may be short lived. Hopefully not
 
"Suggests that it might be" .................................... so, they don't actually know!
That's not news, that's guesswork.
There is no certainty about any single measure of R, it doesn't mean it's guesswork in the sense that it's random, it's just imprecise.
If you're a carpenter and look at a piece of wood and are asked how long it is, you could eyeball it and say it's about 30 cm, you could take a measure out and say it's about 29 cm.
You could use a precision laser measure and say it's 29.06 cm.
There would be varying degrees of accuracy and only one would resemble a guess , and even that one would generally be a pretty good approximation if the carpenter was experienced.
 
Some good news. New Zealand has lifted all internal restrictions. No need to wear masks, no need to distance (although they do suggest it is a good idea still), no limits on gatherings etc. The only thing in place still is self isolation for people entering the country.

Where they go, we will follow, eventually :D
 
Some good news. New Zealand has lifted all internal restrictions. No need to wear masks, no need to distance (although they do suggest it is a good idea still), no limits on gatherings etc. The only thing in place still is self isolation for people entering the country.

Where they go, we will follow, eventually :D
I'd happily go and isolate there, fantastic country ?
 
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