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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

DanFST said:
I posted something similar a few weeks ago. I'd be very surprised if London wasn't almost there already.
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Sort of agree with that. Cannot see the whole of London being so totally complicit with lockdown to cause the drops that they have seen and at the rate it has dropped
 
GB72 said:
I know how that feels. Bit awkward for those working on most of whom have not had a break since Xmas whilst others have been at home in 80-100% pay. Don't get me wrong, I am glad I worked for my sanity and because it suggests I am safer if redundancies come later but also in a position where I am now ineligible for furloughs from Wednesday so if people have to go, I may be straight out whilst those on furlough may be kept in until October
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It doesn't really work like that. If in a similar role, all in that role would have to be considered for redundancy, furlough or not. Making any not furloughed redundant would leave a huge gap for legal action, and I am not sure many companies right now would have the stomach for that.
 
Billysboots said:
Six of our office of ten have now tested positive for antibodies. Only one had any symptoms.

If that is anywhere near replicated in the big, wide world, we may be well on the way to herd immunity without trying.
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The Oxford University model suggested that 50% of us already had it weeks ago, and anecdotal evidence that I'm aware of suggests that this has been with us a lot longer than when the lockdown started. We need more testing to verify that and start returning to normality if it is the case.
 
Blue in Munich said:
The Oxford University model suggested that 50% of us already had it weeks ago, and anecdotal evidence that I'm aware of suggests that this has been with us a lot longer than when the lockdown started. We need more testing to verify that and start returning to normality if it is the case.
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Definitely a consensus around work that most of us have had it to one degree or another and certainly several guys who were rough as far back as January and February are wondering if it could have been corona and not the usual winter bugs
 
Blue in Munich said:
The Oxford University model suggested that 50% of us already had it weeks ago, and anecdotal evidence that I'm aware of suggests that this has been with us a lot longer than when the lockdown started. We need more testing to verify that and start returning to normality if it is the case.
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I've read a few medical opinions now that suggest its been here a lot longer than we thought, some as far back as last autumn.
 
Blue in Munich said:
The Oxford University model suggested that 50% of us already had it weeks ago, and anecdotal evidence that I'm aware of suggests that this has been with us a lot longer than when the lockdown started. We need more testing to verify that and start returning to normality if it is the case.
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I raised this point somewhere else as both myself and older Colch jnr were ill back in February with a dry cough, fever and sore throat and wondered if we had a minor case of it back then. The, very valid, response I got was that if the virus was here back in Jan/Feb why weren't we seeing the excess deaths back then that we have seen more recently? I have no answer to that.

EDIT - When you look at the excess deaths graph in this article it only starts to shoot up towards the end of March. If it had been here for much longer shouldn't we have seen excess deaths far earlier than that?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-uk-deaths-during-covid-19-outbreak-says-ons
 
I certainly think it went through my village around new year. So many people went down with a pretty full set of covid symptoms but if nobody was looking for it, nobody was going to diagnose it. Ended up with varying diagnosis based around respiratory infections etc.
 
ColchesterFC said:
I raised this point somewhere else as both myself and older Colch jnr were ill back in February with a dry cough, fever and sore throat and wondered if we had a minor case of it back then. The, very valid, response I got was that if the virus was here back in Jan/Feb why weren't we seeing the excess deaths back then that we have seen more recently? I have no answer to that.
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Were we not seeing the deaths or were we not recording them as Covid 19 related? Bearing in mind that January & February are the flu season, could a slight raise in figures at that stage, especially given those likely to be victims, not be written off as flu victims?
 
Blue in Munich said:
Were we not seeing the deaths or were we not recording them as Covid 19 related? Bearing in mind that January & February are the flu season, could a slight raise in figures at that stage, especially given those likely to be victims, not be written off as flu victims?
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Edited my post to include an article that shows a graph of excess deaths from the start of the year. Until the middle of March the death rate for the year is actually below average and then increases. I hope to God that it has been here a lot longer than has been reported but the figures don't seem to support that.
 
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GB72 said:
So many people went down with a pretty full set of covid symptoms but if nobody was looking for it, nobody was going to diagnose it
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China didn't report it to the WHO until 31st of December.

If a full Independent investigation ever happens, some of the findings could be scary.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Were we not seeing the deaths or were we not recording them as Covid 19 related? Bearing in mind that January & February are the flu season, could a slight raise in figures at that stage, especially given those likely to be victims, not be written off as flu victims?
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We were definitely not looking at Covid for a long time as a cause of death and it was only when the first death on 5th March that was directly related to Covid was there that realisation that perhaps not all other recent deaths were as they seemed. Looking at this, Reading this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...d-by-time-uk-reported-first-coronavirus-death there seems a definite indication that it was already prevalent and killing
 
ColchesterFC said:
Edited my post to include an article that shows a graph of excess deaths from the start of the year. Until the middle of March the death rate for the year is actually below average and then increases. I hope to God that it has been here a lot longer than has been reported but the figures don't seem to support that.
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If it was an extremely mild year for normal flu then the start of the pandemic figures could still be incorrectly masked in the flu figures and be below average. I understand your concerns about the figures not apparently supporting it, but the more I read the more convinced I am that it has been here longer.
 
Blue in Munich said:
If it was an extremely mild year for normal flu then the start of the pandemic figures could still be incorrectly masked in the flu figures and be below average. I understand your concerns about the figures not apparently supporting it, but the more I read the more convinced I am that it has been here longer.
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I really hope that you are right and that what we are seeing the end of now is the end of the second wave, and that we have far more than previously thought that have already had it and have some form of immunity. Fingers crossed you are correct as that would be a much better outcome than current suggestions.
 
Just been catching up on the daily briefing where Matt Hancock wasn't able to give an answer as to when weddings might be able to re-start. If I arrange a wedding and claim that it's not actually a wedding but that my gathering is a protest for black lives matter does that mean that it's OK for us to go ahead?

Also been hearing radio adverts from the Government that say that if I am contacted by a contact tracer because I've been in close contact to someone that has tested positive then I "must isolate for 14 days". Well that seems reasonable, but is this in the same way that if anyone in my household is showing symptoms then "the whole household must isolate for 14 days" unless I'm a government adviser, in which case I can return to work that afternoon for a few hours and then drive 250 miles before I isolate? Even as someone that initially supported the government response to this crisis I find it very hard to follow their rules/guidelines now that they have shown that they are flexible depending on who you are.
 
So someone that I don't know has some symptoms that might be covid, has been near me, and I am supposed to self isolate for 14 days? Even if I think I have had it? Even if I haven't had it, I probably still won't get it, and might even be immune to it. I might even have been PPE'd up to the nines when I was supposedly in contact with them. It's not really going to work, is it.
 
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