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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

SocketRocket said:
Under existing UK rules they could have been fined £1,920 or an unlimited fine of they didnt pay it.
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The number of fines for Spain was announced earlier today. Massively up on the last time it was published. Even with the Draconian measures, 650,000 fines. Even with the €30 fine for being out walking, and all the €600 fines + one business has been fined €60,000 its difficult to see it as a deterrent. Maybe it is. One thing is for sure, even €300 x 650,000 will buy a few ventilators. All fine money is being given to the Spanish health service... €195,000,000.
 
Blue in Munich said:
I believe I've read, and I stand to be corrected, that the UK has made Covid 19 a notifiable disease, meaning in effect that everyone who tests positive for the virus goes down as a Covid 19 death, regardless of other circumstances. Germany I understand considers whether the pre-existing conditions, if any, are the more likely cause of death & if so does not attribute the death to Covid 19. If correct, that would go some way to explaining the disparity in deaths due to the virus.
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But the Covid19 victims' deaths recorded outside the NHS hospitals may be listed as a virus death but the victim has not been tested - it may be just that the symptoms were similar so that's the doctor assumption.
 
pauldj42 said:
Of course it’s different, using your scenario: You attended a house fire, return to the station and one of the support staff posts on a Public forum how many have died etc you believe that’s ok? It’s not down to them or you to decide what information needs to be in the public domain, it’s why we have “Press Officers” so this information can be controlled.

I’ve seen the damage first hand from Afghan and Iraq when people have “shared” information on deaths they see as harmless.

Fact is, names or not he is breaking confidentiality giving numbers out.
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Bad enough having self appointed medics, mathematicians and politicians everywhere, now here come the newly qualified lawyers!

Embarrassing.
 
Some discussion over dinner tonight about the stats and issued numbers. There are delays in the data coming through.
Is there a corrected data table ? I know some are avidly waiting on the data each day, but Monday and Sunday seems to be off ... so why not say on Thursday we will release the count for Tuesday.. giving everyone a chance to get their data in? It might be a little easier to predict from as it should be accurate.
 
harpo_72 said:
Some discussion over dinner tonight about the stats and issued numbers. There are delays in the data coming through.
Is there a corrected data table ? I know some are avidly waiting on the data each day, but Monday and Sunday seems to be off ... so why not say on Thursday we will release the count for Tuesday.. giving everyone a chance to get their data in? It might be a little easier to predict from as it should be accurate.
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I don’t think even that would be accurate, I think it was yesterday when over 700 deaths were announced the breakdown was along the lines of, over 100+ were in the last 24 hours, one went back to 26th March and the remainder died between 1st and 11th April.

Maybe it’s the delay in those who have died outside hospital or in hospital but not known to have Covid-19 until the tests and autopsies are complete.

The only accurate number on the day seems to be the overall figure.
 
SocketRocket said:
It's fairly complex (I think) Someone may have a serious condition that has the potential to kill them, that person then gets flu like symptoms and dies. Would they be tested for Covid, did they have Covid, did the serious condition kill them, maybe it was tipped over the edge by covid, would they have died anyway?
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With a large amount of sadness I am going to suggest that many will be taken, in these horrendous times, long before they were ready to be taken...
 
MegaSteve said:
With a large amount of sadness I am going to suggest that many will be taken, in these horrendous times, long before they were ready to be taken...
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In the same week in 2018, winter flu took 35 people. 6,000 last week.

I had a look at the annual death rate of things like Typhoid last week. Typhoid take around 140,000 a year. I dread to think what the final C19 figure will be.
 
Old Skier said:
Looks like your better off not being on the NHS front line, no wonder the NHS in normal times is such a financial mess

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This is what I can see changing long term. The Tories have seen the NHS can't be run into the ground and sold off. We need it. The debt has been written off. I can see middle management numbers being stream lined and made more cost effective.

Well I hope
 
Just had confirmed we lost our first member to Covid-19 today, really nice guy, played with him quite a few times over the years, very sad, RIP mate.
 
pauljames87 said:
This is what I can see changing long term. The Tories have seen the NHS can't be run into the ground and sold off. We need it. The debt has been written off. I can see middle management numbers being stream lined and made more cost effective.

Well I hope
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It's already happening - at least in my trust but also in a neighbouring one. Lots of streamlining of services, new tech including virtual clinics (online) means a lot of admin managers have gone as the admin staff being streamlined. A lot of the band 5 junior management roles no longer exists
 
HomerJSimpson said:
It's already happening - at least in my trust but also in a neighbouring one. Lots of streamlining of services, new tech including virtual clinics (online) means a lot of admin managers have gone as the admin staff being streamlined. A lot of the band 5 junior management roles no longer exists
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I mean no offence but this if it affects you but good, government departments are full of it. I know we are. Loads of management , levels that we just dont need that could save fortunes without costing front line staff
 
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