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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Kellfire said:
Well on my two week holiday from the forum the Tories have gone from actually handling the situation quite well in my eyes to handling it quite well but also doing everything they can to blame us for their failings. What a government.
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Were you really on holiday or were you serving a ban
 
Kellfire said:
Well on my two week holiday from the forum the Tories have gone from actually handling the situation quite well in my eyes to handling it quite well but also doing everything they can to blame us for their failings. What a government.
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Any examples to qualify your statement?
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Problem is though that unless every country does exactly the same at more or less the same time, you see things like whats happening in China where the return of people has brought new cases back into the country and spread it again.
At what point do we have to accept that perhaps the only way to get through this is to let it run riot through our country and take whatevers coming. Can we hide from it forever?
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I think letting it run riot would be a disaster,it would probably get out of control.
We need to keep an eye on it.
As you say sooner or later something forward thinking will have to happen.
The bail out of funds by the government was for 3 months at the cost of 100s of billions,can the government do it again for another 3 months?i seriously doubt it.
For me even sending my children back to school when they open again will be a difficult decision,in fact I probably won’t until I can be sure it’s safe.
Tough times ahead and some very tough decisions to be made.
 
bluewolf said:
I’m a very long way away from the esteemed Professors credentials. However, this mirrors what I’ve been thinking for the last few weeks. Our global economic model does not allow for an extended lockdown. Our only real way forward is to relax the lockdown whilst making every effort practicable to restrict the spread.

It won’t be a popular plan, but a global economic meltdown would be even less popular. Like I said on a previous post. Someone is going to have to make a very difficult decision. Knowing that people will die. Knowing that history may not be kind to them. I wouldn’t swap places with them.
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Devils advocate question... What’s preferable? The economic systems going to pot or millions of people being wiped out?

The ‘lift restrictions’ argument seems to focus on economic benefits and ignore the fact that not enough is known about immunity and how the virus behaves, it is brand new after all. I’m not trying to be overly dramatic, but I can’t see past the whole situation looping if travel restrictions (particularly international) are released.

Wave after wave of this doesn’t feel like a particularly nice place, would that not be more liable to make society crumble?

I’m also, you’ll be amazed to know, no economic expert but for a long time have felt that the way we live now isn’t right. I’d be a big supporter of UBI for example. Maybe the idea of the current econmic systems having to be recalibrated is something that has the potential to benefit everyone (although highly unlikely)?

Would be interesting to chew this over
 
huds1475 said:
Devils advocate question... What’s preferable? The economic systems going to pot or millions of people being wiped out?

The ‘lift restrictions’ argument seems to focus on economic benefits and ignore the fact that not enough is known about immunity and how the virus behaves, it is brand new after all. I’m not trying to be overly dramatic, but I can’t see past the whole situation looping if travel restrictions (particularly international) are released.

Wave after wave of this doesn’t feel like a particularly nice place, would that not be more liable to make society crumble?

I’m also, you’ll be amazed to know, no economic expert but for a long time have felt that the way we live now isn’t right. I’d be a big supporter of UBI for example. Maybe the idea of the current econmic systems having to be recalibrated is something that has the potential to benefit everyone (although highly unlikely)?

Would be interesting to chew this over
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Hey Craig. I think you and I would agree on many things. And in all honesty, I’m not qualified to say which would be worse. However, with regards to the current economic model, we have to plan for the model we have, not the model we want. I just don’t believe there’s enough momentum or consensus for a switch to a more equitable system. UBI is a minor possibility, but I’d say it was unlikely unless we have a fairly seismic Covid experience (which we still might).

Whatever happens, the next 12-18 months are going to be “interesting”
 
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Kellfire said:
Well on my two week holiday from the forum the Tories have gone from actually handling the situation quite well in my eyes to handling it quite well but also doing everything they can to blame us for their failings. What a government.
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Welcome back KF??
 
Kellfire said:
Priti Patel’s “apology”.
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So one sentence in one briefing constitutes the govt is failing badly. Let's be honest here Mark you've returned from your ban, that undoubtedly you felt unjustified, and you just want to carry on stirring the crap in your usual argumentative way. Its pathetic. For Christ's sake grow up
 
Hobbit said:
So one sentence in one briefing constitutes the govt is failing badly. Let's be honest here Mark you've returned from your ban, that undoubtedly you felt unjustified, and you just want to carry on stirring the crap in your usual argumentative way. Its pathetic. For Christ's sake grow up
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Bit harsh that Bri, there’s one or two others who do far worse.
 
pokerjoke said:
I think letting it run riot would be a disaster,it would probably get out of control.
We need to keep an eye on it.
As you say sooner or later something forward thinking will have to happen.
The bail out of funds by the government was for 3 months at the cost of 100s of billions,can the government do it again for another 3 months?i seriously doubt it.
For me even sending my children back to school when they open again will be a difficult decision,in fact I probably won’t until I can be sure it’s safe.
Tough times ahead and some very tough decisions to be made.
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Yeah I'm not a fan of the herd thingy
I mean the Uk's only at 0.15% tested positive so even if the un-tested positive multiples that by 10 that's still only 1.5% that have got it & herd solution is what something like 80% need to get it

Current level seems like a really low penetration figure to suddenly chuck in the towel and let 52,000000 get it (80%)
 
Stuart_C said:
Bit harsh that Bri, there’s one or two others who do far worse.
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I wouldn't mind if he made a discussion out of it. Brought the context of the comment into it and made a proper case for it. Its just one of his usual one liners that are thrown out there. I know him and have played golf with him a few times although I haven't seen him for a few years but he's a bright guy. You really can have a proper discussion with him on numerous topics but on here he's a grade A1...
 
Hobbit said:
I wouldn't mind if he made a discussion out of it. Brought the context of the comment into it and made a proper case for it. Its just one of his usual one liners that are thrown out there. I know him and have played golf with him a few times although I haven't seen him for a few years but he's a bright guy. You really can have a proper discussion with him on numerous topics but on here he's a grade A1...
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Take a look at yourself Bri, he‘s made a comment that’s negative to the government and straight away you’re on his case. You’re better than that.

Some on here see any negative post towards the regime now as “party politics” and can’t see past there own views. The current gov aren’t beyond criticism.

Anyway, KF’s a clever enough lad to fight his own battles and there’s too many know all‘s on this thread, so I’ll hibernate elsewhere??
 
Hobbit said:
So one sentence in one briefing constitutes the govt is failing badly. Let's be honest here Mark you've returned from your ban, that undoubtedly you felt unjustified, and you just want to carry on stirring the crap in your usual argumentative way. Its pathetic. For Christ's sake grow up
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Did I say they’re failing badly? Or did I say they’re handling it quite well?
 
Hobbit said:
I wouldn't mind if he made a discussion out of it. Brought the context of the comment into it and made a proper case for it. Its just one of his usual one liners that are thrown out there. I know him and have played golf with him a few times although I haven't seen him for a few years but he's a bright guy. You really can have a proper discussion with him on numerous topics but on here he's a grade A1...
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The reason I don’t get into “debates” on here is because we all know that no one changes their view. Life’s too short.
 
Stuart_C said:
Take a look at yourself Bri, he‘s made a comment that’s negative to the government and straight away you’re on his case. You’re better than that.

Some on here see any negative post towards the regime now as “party politics” and can’t see past there own views. The current gov aren’t beyond criticism.

Anyway, KF’s a clever enough lad to fight his own battles and there’s too many know all‘s on this thread, so I’ll hibernate elsewhere??
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Thanks mate. Hopefully we can have a game of golf after all this nonsense blows over. If I can escape the inevitable dark cloud that would hover over me, I’d love to get myself along to another meet one day. :)
 
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