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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Patel said sorry if NHS staff *feel* that enough is not being done for PPE.. feel?? Really ‘feel’??

The only reality is how much kit is on the ground... local GP is fund raising to buy their own kit. They recently imported directly from overseas as the NHS one was a bin bag. Dentists in the area are shut as they don’t have any PPE to work in an area full of aerosol..

And she talks about ‘feel’.. what b*llocks ... on the plus side, she did park her smirk for the day
 

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It’s definitely the job of the leader of the opposition to hold the government to account, but also to offer support where he can.

He is involved in Cobra meetings, he will be seeing the same detail as the others and will be part of the decision making process.

We do as a nation seem to refer back to the “Dunkirk Spirit “ type of quotes
It’s just how we deal with stuff
 
PhilTheFragger said:
It’s definitely the job of the leader of the opposition to hold the government to account, but also to offer support where he can.

He is involved in Cobra meetings, he will be seeing the same detail as the others and will be part of the decision making process.

We do as a nation seem to refer back to the “Dunkirk Spirit “ type of quotes
It’s just how we deal with stuff
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Starmer spoke very well on Sky News earlier. He wouldn't be drawn on a blame game, speaking more about working together and asking the right questions to ensure all bases were covered.
 
Hobbit said:
Starmer spoke very well on Sky News earlier. He wouldn't be drawn on a blame game, speaking more about working together and asking the right questions to ensure all bases were covered.
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Lisa Nandy just gave a great interview on Marr. Said exactly what I was thinking. She really is becoming a strong politician.
 
Hobbit said:
Starmer spoke very well on Sky News earlier. He wouldn't be drawn on a blame game, speaking more about working together and asking the right questions to ensure all bases were covered.
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This is how it should be, right now we all need to stick together, this is much bigger than arguing about your political stance.
Its so easy to criticise when we are learning as we go, I’m 100% sure every decision is getting made with the best intentions to make things better.
Once it’s all done they can go back to the commons and debate.
 
Not going to church on Easter Sunday is a big thing for me these days. First time since 1213 that churches in UK have been closed on Easter Sunday...?

But I hope to pop into my church later today ( as I have a key) as I pass it on my daily walk - to say a wee prayer for us all, and I might actually do a little solo unaccompanied rendition of ‘Jesus Christ is risen today’ - with my wife as the congregation. Churches should be filled with the sounds of celebration on this day, but today also prayer for us all of all faiths or none; for our health and for the health and future of the country.
 
Mudball said:
Patel said sorry if NHS staff *feel* that enough is not being done for PPE.. feel?? Really ‘feel’??

The only reality is how much kit is on the ground... local GP is fund raising to buy their own kit. They recently imported directly from overseas as the NHS one was a bin bag. Dentists in the area are shut as they don’t have any PPE to work in an area full of aerosol..

And she talks about ‘feel’.. what b*llocks ... on the plus side, she did park her smirk for the day
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Yes indeed - we both heard Patel saying she felt sorry that care workers ‘feel’ upset - no real apology whatsoever.
 
Hobbit said:
Starmer spoke very well on Sky News earlier. He wouldn't be drawn on a blame game, speaking more about working together and asking the right questions to ensure all bases were covered.
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My default position nowadays is to disagree with all politicians as a point of principle. But Starmer and Nandy have been far more credible than the shower of **** that went before them, and offer at least a little bit of hope that there might be better ahead.

You see, the thing with this current situation is that - even if Governments had spent more time listening to, well, people like me (emergency planners, that is, rather than middle aged Yorkshiremen) - there was never any real hope of predicting that this would occur. The best that they might have done would have been better preparedness for pandemic flu, but the way that Swine and Avian flu became more or less non events probably scuppered that. So you have politicians reacting on the hoof to the problem, at the same time as their counterparts everywhere else are doing the same.

That creates issues in supply chains, confusion in policies and the chance for the ill informed to say "but country X has had fewer deaths".

Could the Government have done better? Honestly, probably not much - and given how little time I had for the people in charge before this, I think at the key times, they have largely stepped up to the challenge, such as Johnson conducting a major U turn when it became clear that the science had changed against him, and Rishi Sunak making clear that the Government would finance this for most people.
 
Hobbit said:
Starmer spoke very well on Sky News earlier. He wouldn't be drawn on a blame game, speaking more about working together and asking the right questions to ensure all bases were covered.
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And they do need to work out how to reconvene parliament virtually, because quite when a physical reconvening will be possible nobody knows. And we just must have parliament reconvened for opposition parties and members of the governing party to scrutinise the government and their decisions, as well as supporting it and working together. If everyone is working together much of the blame game can be kicked into the long grass.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
She spoke quite well - but her words and actions of the last few years cannot simply be dismissed or forgotten.
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They can in the present context, ffs. At the moment we are not in a party politics situation, or we shouldn't be. So perhaps you could not be as well.
She is part of a government with a national crisis on its hands, not part of a Conservative party.
 
Fish said:
Its all ordered and stock piled by the Trusts, then distributed when called off, according to budgets, it's the Trusts mainly that got caught out, the Govt don't order it or distribute it or are involved in the logistics, the trusts are!
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There you have it SILH, Tory or Labour government would have the same situation. Just pack up the party politics.!
 
Fish said:
Oh, and for all of you living in your perfect bubble and finger pointing, Im having to now carry a water container to wash just my hands after deliveries & to freshen up, which is not acceptable!

I’m constantly complaining to companies who’s fuel stations have now closed their toilets & washrooms!

Some of us are out all day & overnight also, shame on them ?

I’ve asked at some delivery points if I can use their toilets, and I’ve been flatly refused with an array of BS excuses!

I’m having to use my hand gel sparingly now as it’s an expense I can’t keep forking out for, so I carry water & liquid soap, and I’m also reusing my masks, even though I’m delivering thousands, but I’m having to buy them to supply everyone else with their essential deliveries!

I’m having to buy all my own PPE ?
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Surely it’s down to the courier company to ensure that their staff have sufficient stock of the correct PPE to be able to make the deliveries. Also have to ensure that the drivers have been briefed on social distancing and cleaning procedures.

If the company cannot provide the proper measures then they should not be able to transport the goods. It’s not down to he sender or the receiver to provide anything.

Our company would not allow any external persons into the property under any circumstances (virus or no) to use the facilities so can fully understand them refusing you access at this time.

I do think that there should be portaloos available at sevices for the times when a sit down is required. Otherwise just find a bush and try and wet as many leaves as possible.

Good news for you is that you’re earning money making these deliveries when many people aren’t able to work at this time.

Got to look on the positive side of each situation.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Yes indeed - we both heard Patel saying she felt sorry that care workers ‘feel’ upset - no real apology whatsoever.
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Here's a thought, perhaps a little controversial in some people's eyes. Just what does the government have to apologise for in terms of PPE? Who orders the PPE? The hospitals. Who delivers the PPE? The suppliers. Who decides if there isn't enough PPE? The hospitals. Who decides if they're not producing enough PPE? The suppliers/manufacturers.

Maybe it was nuanced from Patel in the brief yesterday but my feeling was from the gist of what she was saying was what does the govt have to apologise for?

Don't shoot the messenger! I don't like Patel at all but apart from not correcting herself over the numbers, just what did she say or do wrong yesterday?
 
Captainron said:
Surely it’s down to the courier company to ensure that their staff have sufficient stock of the correct PPE to be able to make the deliveries. Also have to ensure that the drivers have been briefed on social distancing and cleaning procedures.

If the company cannot provide the proper measures then they should not be able to transport the goods. It’s not down to he sender or the receiver to provide anything.

Our company would not allow any external persons into the property under any circumstances (virus or no) to use the facilities so can fully understand them refusing you access at this time.

I do think that there should be portaloos available at sevices for the times when a sit down is required. Otherwise just find a bush and try and wet as many leaves as possible.

Good news for you is that you’re earning money making these deliveries when many people aren’t able to work at this time.

Got to look on the positive side of each situation.
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Indeed, some delivery personnel have been banned from accessing things by their employers.
We had a few deliveries the other day, and as it was very hot, offered them cans of coke. All said they weren’t allowed. For their own protection as well as that of the customer.
 
Hobbit said:
Here's a thought, perhaps a little controversial in some people's eyes. Just what does the government have to apologise for in terms of PPE? Who orders the PPE? The hospitals. Who delivers the PPE? The suppliers. Who decides if there isn't enough PPE? The hospitals. Who decides if they're not producing enough PPE? The suppliers/manufacturers.

Maybe it was nuanced from Patel in the brief yesterday but my feeling was from the gist of what she was saying was what does the govt have to apologise for?

Don't shoot the messenger! I don't like Patel at all but apart from not correcting herself over the numbers, just what did she say or do wrong yesterday?
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You could also ask who has been underfunding the NHS for years, and this meant they couldn’t afford to be adequately prepared?
 
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