Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[SocketRocket]

You've not read the article have you but are still going on the attack as is your style.
I do have some inside track on this and they've fallen behind where they should be which is having serious ramifications.

Yes I read it but I treat editorials with caution, it's a good policy.
I am not attacking anything, that's a bit of an exaggeration, I am questioning your comments as I can see no evidence for them and that is my style. Please elucidate on your inside information.

 

[SocketRocket]

Yes & no. Not with assumptions to fit your narrative

Surely you have to base your narrative on your assumption in many cases. I have assumed by my considerations something is so, I express my belief in that assumption.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Yes I read it but I treat editorials with caution, it's a good policy.
I am not attacking anything, that's a bit of an exaggeration, I am questioning your comments as I can see no evidence for them and that is my style. Please elucidate on your inside information.

The DNA sequence fir Covid-19 was released by the Chinese in early Jan which meant the primer for the PCR would have been available mid Jan, all the other reagents are very bssic and readily avaible and produced in the UK. We have plenty of PCR machine capacity in the UK but its spread throughout Uni's and small labs or held by the main supplier ThermoFisher. We've made a strategic decision to go for centralised superhubs which have requisition PCR machines. This in itself has created some lag but the main issue is that the requisition didn't even start till Mid March and I know this because I have ex colleagues who work at Thermo.

 

[Hobbit]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...tre-only-conducting-1500-tests-a-day-11971991
How about we hold them to account as to why they've dropped this almighty bollock and left us scrambling behind other better prepared nations.

Absolutely hold them to account. Is now the time to do that? At this moment in time, or next week, what purpose would it be to do it then? Is there any real point of instigating a full on accounting process now? Should that distraction happen now?

And the labs in Milton Keynes still doesn't have enough fully trained staff for 100,000 tests per day. They don't have enough people for the 3 shift system yet, nor are all the current staff trained up yet. Mind you, there's still 19 days to reach that figure.

I'm all for holding them to account, including hanging Hancock if the promised figure isn't reached. But aren't we jumping the gun a little?

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Absolutely hold them to account. Is now the time to do that? At this moment in time, or next week, what purpose would it be to do it then? Is there any real point of instigating a full on accounting process now? Should that distraction happen now?

And the labs in Milton Keynes still doesn't have enough fully trained staff for 100,000 tests per day. They don't have enough people for the 3 shift system yet, nor are all the current staff trained up yet. Mind you, there's still 19 days to reach that figure.

I'm all for holding them to account, including hanging Hancock if the promised figure isn't reached. But aren't we jumping the gun a little?

Maybe the decision to have superhubs when all the trained staff and machines are spread far and wide wasn't such a good choice then? They've requisitioned the machines but your can't centralise all the trained biomedics.

 

[Hobbit]

Maybe the decision to have superhubs when all the trained staff and machines are spread far and wide wasn't such a good choice then? They've requisitioned the machines but your can't centralise all the trained biomedics.

Maybe you're right, but as I said is now the time for a, "I told you so discussion?" I don't doubt there'll be a number of errors identified, some of those will be from the perfect viewpoint of hindsight but, personally, I'm for sorting the problem that there's now and not wasting time and resources on something that will happen anyway when this madness is over.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Maybe you're right, but as I said is now the time for a, "I told you so discussion?" I don't doubt there'll be a number of errors identified, some of those will be from the perfect viewpoint of hindsight but, personally, I'm for sorting the problem that there's now and not wasting time and resources on something that will happen anyway when this madness is over.

Maybe a good reason for questioning some of the decisions made now is there will be other major ones to be made in the future and if the government have potentially got some big ones wrong now they should be looking at who is advising them going forward.
They've made great decisions with regarding the financial support package and have been rightly praised (even though my wife and I both have Ltd companies and are getting the square root of @#$k all) and so with the praise should come the scrutiny in real time. No point in flagging it after the event.

 

[SocketRocket]

Maybe a good reason for questioning some of the decisions made now is there will be other major ones to be made in the future and if the government have potentially got some big ones wrong now they should be looking at who is advising them going forward.
They've made great decisions with regarding the financial support package and have been rightly praised (even though my wife and I both have Ltd companies and are getting the square root of @#$k all) and so with the praise should come the scrutiny in real time. No point in flagging it after the event.

Why cant you see it, or dont you want to. Its work in progress and you dont understand what logistics are being undertaken. Sounds to me you have hidden agendas.

 

[JustOne]

You've not read the article have you but are still going on the attack as is your style.
I do have some inside track on this and they've fallen behind where they should be which is having serious ramifications.

What serious ramifications?
You test a nurse, she doesn't have it, so? She's still going to go to work where she is possibly then going to catch it.... and you have achieved what exactly?

The (apparently expert) article says that 200K - 300K test are needed each day, at that rate it would take the best part of a year to test the population of the UK.
So with that FACT what serious ramifications are we facing that we could change/fix?

If we COULD test the entire nation right now in ONE DAY, so what?.... what does that achieve? The virus isn't going away and those in total lockdown still can't come out.

I'm really trying to understand the 'seriousness' of your post/point/arguement and the aggression of your replies...... apart from you have a mate who gave you an opinion.

 

[Paperboy]

Maybe a good reason for questioning some of the decisions made now is there will be other major ones to be made in the future and if the government have potentially got some big ones wrong now they should be looking at who is advising them going forward.
They've made great decisions with regarding the financial support package and have been rightly praised (even though my wife and I both have Ltd companies and are getting the square root of @#$k all) and so with the praise should come the scrutiny in real time. No point in flagging it after the event.

Your only get nothing if you have no books for last year or have earnt over 50k. Well that's my understanding of it all!

 

[Fish]

Wow, so many assumptions and political finger pointing, why are forums and social media boards always full of experts, who don’t truly know the facts, even if they have mates, ex employees or met someone in a supermarket queue who knows someone that knows someone that knows someone......

I’m involved or will be with the logistics of transporting viles, tests plus other undisclosed items to not just a central laboratory but across the country from a central hub which is still not, but is not far off being fully operational yet.

Specific packing is needed for these tests, drivers checked & trained, specific signs/stickers for the van to identify the cargo, specific trackers are bing installed and in some cases a specific app is being downloaded by us, and the list goes on, and this is only the logistics side of collecting & delivering the tests, so a simple ‘man & van’ isn’t involved in this operation, it’s almost to military precision, and I’m being constantly updated on the situation and I’m primed now ready for the call/s to start.

With the in-depth induction I’ve seen on the logistics side, I can’t imagine what it entails in the testing labs for when we start to turn up with 1000’s of tests daily from various regions!

They and everyone involved in the chain needs to be fully ready for when this starts fully, if not the consequences of it failing, breaking down and not coping when the tests start to arrive plus covering all the ‘what ifs’ throughout the operation is paramount to get right before it goes into full operation, to push something too quickly into a life & death operation would be fool hardy.

Everyday is a school day for this pandemic that could never be foreseen, and personally, I think everyone (all MP’s) aside of political favor are doing an excellent job when the cards are being constantly stacked against them.

 

[bobmac]

Not forgetting the scientists who are working round the clock to come up with something that will help the whole world, because the whole world is going to need it.

 

[Fish]

Oh, and for all of you living in your perfect bubble and finger pointing, Im having to now carry a water container to wash just my hands after deliveries & to freshen up, which is not acceptable!

I’m constantly complaining to companies who’s fuel stations have now closed their toilets & washrooms!

Some of us are out all day & overnight also, shame on them ?

I’ve asked at some delivery points if I can use their toilets, and I’ve been flatly refused with an array of BS excuses!

I’m having to use my hand gel sparingly now as it’s an expense I can’t keep forking out for, so I carry water & liquid soap, and I’m also reusing my masks, even though I’m delivering thousands, but I’m having to buy them to supply everyone else with their essential deliveries!

I’m having to buy all my own PPE ?

 

[Jacko_G]

Oh, and for all of you living in your perfect bubble and finger pointing, Im having to now carry a water container to wash just my hands after deliveries & to freshen up, which is not acceptable!

I’m constantly complaining to companies who’s fuel stations have now closed their toilets & washrooms!

Some of us are out all day & overnight also, shame on them ?

I’ve asked at some delivery points if I can use their toilets, and I’ve been flatly refused with an array of BS excuses!

I’m having to use my hand gel sparingly now as it’s an expense I can’t keep forking out for, so I carry water & liquid soap, and I’m also reusing my masks, even though I’m delivering thousands, but I’m having to buy them to supply everyone else with their essential deliveries!

I’m having to buy all my own PPE ?

Make yourself a few that you can throw in the washing machine. Cut up an old cotton t-shirt or buy a cheap one and make a few. Very simple and effective.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Why cant you see it, or dont you want to. Its work in progress and you dont understand what logistics are being undertaken. Sounds to me you have hidden agendas.

I understand the logistics being undertaken my point is the button was pressed on them too late. The countries that have had better control over the spread who have had mass testing up and running much quicker. The virus spread isn't waiting for us to get our testing up to speed.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Your only get nothing if you have no books for last year or have earnt over 50k. Well that's my understanding of it all!

We both have limited companies which are set up to pay ourselves PAYE and dividends

 

[Jacko_G]

I understand the logistics being undertaken my point is the button was pressed on them too late. The countries that have had better control over the spread who have had mass testing up and running much quicker. The virus spread isn't waiting for us to get our testing up to speed.

Our testing only shows if you have the virus, therefore you could be tested on the Wednesday and be in the clear. By Friday you could pick up the virus but having been given the "all clear" on Wednesday be blissfully unaware you are now contagious and spreading the virus around.

Virus testing is only good up to a point. I can now get tested if I go off sick with symptoms so it clearly is in place (to an extent) for emergency workers etc. My work will book me in for a test.

 

[Fish]

We both have limited companies which are set up to pay ourselves PAYE and dividends

Which also can receive support, you need to do some better research.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Our testing only shows if you have the virus, therefore you could be tested on the Wednesday and be in the clear. By Friday you could pick up the virus but having been given the "all clear" on Wednesday be blissfully unaware you are now contagious and spreading the virus around.

Virus testing is only good up to a point. I can now get tested if I go off sick with symptoms so it clearly is in place (to an extent) for emergency workers etc. My work will book me in for a test.

Once it's ramped up it will be useful for contact tracing. If you test positive but are asymptomatic they can test people you have been in contact with quickly and get them isolating before they show symptoms. This will be even more effective when the NHS app is rolled out which traces where you and your smartphone have been. If you've been in contact or in an area where someone positive has been it will ping you a text and tell you to isolate until tested.
I believe the app has a red and green light system. If you've been in contact your light turns red until you're tested, if you're negative it goes green and you're free to carry on if not then stays red and you isolate. This will help us to begin start mingling again and for the authorities to understand where hotspots are occurring and maybe do more localised lockdowns

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Which also can receive support, you need to do some better research.

My PAYE, which is minimal gets 80% support.