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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

SocketRocket said:
She spoke very well, why not try a catchup on it before issueing the vitriolic outpouring of divisive bile above, or am I misinterpreting your well honed sarcastic attributes. How about we give the Government a modicum of support in these very difficult circumstances.
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She spoke quite well - but her words and actions of the last few years cannot simply be dismissed or forgotten.
 
therod said:
I did watch it. She’s awful. She brings a new level of nonsense to her answers to any questioning. Most politicians can’t answer a direct question but her waffle can only be construed as lack of preparation or understanding.
Do you not see the irony of her supporting those very workers that she was castigating 6 weeks ago?
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Irony and crass hypocrisy..
 
Fish said:
Right, you stated you got FA support, which isn’t fact then, you chose to receive the minimum wage (one of 2 amounts) as a PAYE director.
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It's a fraction of what furloughed employees and self employed workers are getting. The reason my company is set up as limited is because I work I work in a sector that can be litigious and it gives a separation between my personal assets (our house) and my business. I pay all our Corp Tax, VAT and dividends tax in full.
 
Mrs Hogie is convinced that there is going to be a significant exodus from the NHS as soon as the worse of this is over - especially amongst those at their NHS retirement age, but also many younger doctors and nurses with transferable skills who have suffered terrible stress, PTSD, exhaustion and fear for their own life and that of their closest. This is not what they signed up for.

What do we do - she asks - to stop that happening - well she says what you don’t do is do a Hancock and impugn nurses and other care workers over inappropriate use of PPE - no matter if there is some evidence of it. It will be tiny amount in the scheme of things and simply a diversion from lack of PPE and a failure to recognise the fear that many in any care setting live with at the moment.
 
funkycoldmedina said:
It's a fraction of what furloughed employees and self employed workers are getting. The reason my company is set up as limited is because I work I work in a sector that can be litigious and it gives a separation between my personal assets (our house) and my business. I pay all our Corp Tax, VAT and dividends tax in full.
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I understand that, its a fraction but they pay into the system monthly, but you chose to pay yourself the minimum so you don't pay tax monthly and your NI won't kick-in until month 11 when the allowance kicks-in, that was your choice, you can't blame the government for that, you could have paid yourself a fuller wage outside of that allowance, but you chose not to!
 
Fish said:
I understand that, its a fraction but they pay into the system monthly, but you chose to pay yourself the minimum so you don't pay tax monthly and your NI won't kick-in until month 11 when the allowance kicks-in, that was your choice, you can't blame the government for that, you could have paid yourself a fuller wage outside of that allowance, but you chose not to!
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And if I did I would be paying way more tax than a sole trader or PAYE employee because I would still be paying 20% Corp Tax.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Mrs Hogie is convinced that there is going to be a significant exodus from the NHS as soon as the worse of this is over - especially amongst those at their NHS retirement age, but also many younger doctors and nurses with transferable skills who have suffered terrible stress, PTSD, exhaustion and fear for their own life and that of their closest. This is not what they signed up for.

What do we do - she asks - to stop that happening - well she says what you don’t do is do a Hancock and impugn nurses and other care workers over inappropriate use of PPE - no matter if there is some evidence of it. It will be tiny amount in the scheme of things and simply a diversion from lack of PPE and a failure to recognise the fear that many in any care setting live with at the moment.
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I expect that many, if not most, will take up their option to retire, and I do agree that many more will suffer from just being worn out and/or PTSD. However, just where will all the others that want to leave, leave for? Where will their "transferable skills" take them?

As for Hancock criticising the troops; I agree it was a stupid move. But on the lack of PPE, or it being in the wrong place/not delivered. Just about everyone wants to blame the govt. I'm not defending them nor criticising them, although there may well be some culpability there. But just what is the process for a hospital to have enough PPE on-site? C'mon Hugh, you're a PM by trade. You know how this sort of thing works.

The hospitals recognise the need. The hospitals order the product from the supplier. The supplier is a private company, i.e. not the govt, and the supplier supplies the product. If a supplier determines they don't have enough stock, they either source more stock and/or ramp up production. Where are the govt culpable in that shortfall?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Mrs Hogie is convinced that there is going to be a significant exodus from the NHS as soon as the worse of this is over - especially amongst those at their NHS retirement age, but also many younger doctors and nurses with transferable skills who have suffered terrible stress, PTSD, exhaustion and fear for their own life and that of their closest. This is not what they signed up for.

What do we do - she asks - to stop that happening - well she says what you don’t do is do a Hancock and impugn nurses and other care workers over inappropriate use of PPE - no matter if there is some evidence of it. It will be tiny amount in the scheme of things and simply a diversion from lack of PPE and a failure to recognise the fear that many in any care setting live with at the moment.
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The cynic in me says they signed up to care and save lives.

You can also say the same for shop workers who get paid peanuts in comparison yet are dreadfully exposed every day, you can say the same for the transport workers and emergency services. This is a terrible terrible situation that grossly effects more than one group and no I'm not doing the NHS workers a disservice as they do an amazing job 365. Right now they're doing a phenominal job under extreme pressure.

Then again so is the delivery driver, the ambulance driver, the bus driver etc.
 
Hobbit said:
I expect that many, if not most, will take up their option to retire, and I do agree that many more will suffer from just being worn out and/or PTSD. However, just where will all the others that want to leave, leave for? Where will their "transferable skills" take them?

As for Hancock criticising the troops; I agree it was a stupid move. But on the lack of PPE, or it being in the wrong place/not delivered. Just about everyone wants to blame the govt. I'm not defending them nor criticising them, although there may well be some culpability there. But just what is the process for a hospital to have enough PPE on-site? C'mon Hugh, you're a PM by trade. You know how this sort of thing works.

The hospitals recognise the need. The hospitals order the product from the supplier. The supplier is a private company, i.e. not the govt, and the supplier supplies the product. If a supplier determines they don't have enough stock, they either source more stock and/or ramp up production. Where are the govt culpable in that shortfall?
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Its all ordered and stock piled by the Trusts, then distributed when called off, according to budgets, it's the Trusts mainly that got caught out, the Govt don't order it or distribute it or are involved in the logistics, the trusts are!
 
Hobbit said:
I expect that many, if not most, will take up their option to retire, and I do agree that many more will suffer from just being worn out and/or PTSD. However, just where will all the others that want to leave, leave for? Where will their "transferable skills" take them?

As for Hancock criticising the troops; I agree it was a stupid move. But on the lack of PPE, or it being in the wrong place/not delivered. Just about everyone wants to blame the govt. I'm not defending them nor criticising them, although there may well be some culpability there. But just what is the process for a hospital to have enough PPE on-site? C'mon Hugh, you're a PM by trade. You know how this sort of thing works.

The hospitals recognise the need. The hospitals order the product from the supplier. The supplier is a private company, i.e. not the govt, and the supplier supplies the product. If a supplier determines they don't have enough stock, they either source more stock and/or ramp up production. Where are the govt culpable in that shortfall?
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Like many before, they'll go to the agency's so they can earn more and have control more on what shifts they want to work. They won't leave per se imo, they'll just control where and when they want to work.
 
Jacko_G said:
The cynic in me says they signed up to care and save lives.

You can also say the same for shop workers who get paid peanuts in comparison yet are dreadfully exposed every day, you can say the same for the transport workers and emergency services. This is a terrible terrible situation that grossly effects more than one group and no I'm not doing the NHS workers a disservice as they do an amazing job 365. Right now they're doing a phenominal job under extreme pressure.

Then again so is the delivery driver, the ambulance driver, the bus driver etc.
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Indeed. Care and save lives, but I suggest that most who go into any form of heath care do not do so thinking they could be putting their own life at risk. Not in the NHS.
 
Fish said:
Wow, so many assumptions and political finger pointing, why are forums and social media boards always full of experts, who don’t truly know the facts, even if they have mates, ex employees or met someone in a supermarket queue who knows someone that knows someone that knows someone......

I’m involved or will be with the logistics of transporting viles, tests plus other undisclosed items to not just a central laboratory but across the country from a central hub which is still not, but is not far off being fully operational yet.

Specific packing is needed for these tests, drivers checked & trained, specific signs/stickers for the van to identify the cargo, specific trackers are bing installed and in some cases a specific app is being downloaded by us, and the list goes on, and this is only the logistics side of collecting & delivering the tests, so a simple ‘man & van’ isn’t involved in this operation, it’s almost to military precision, and I’m being constantly updated on the situation and I’m primed now ready for the call/s to start.

With the in-depth induction I’ve seen on the logistics side, I can’t imagine what it entails in the testing labs for when we start to turn up with 1000’s of tests daily from various regions!

They and everyone involved in the chain needs to be fully ready for when this starts fully, if not the consequences of it failing, breaking down and not coping when the tests start to arrive plus covering all the ‘what ifs’ throughout the operation is paramount to get right before it goes into full operation, to push something too quickly into a life & death operation would be fool hardy.

Everyday is a school day for this pandemic that could never be foreseen, and personally, I think everyone (all MP’s) aside of political favor are doing an excellent job when the cards are being constantly stacked against them.
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This is one excellent post which the likes of Starmer and Blunkett should read and then tell us what their knowledge of this situation is.
It's the same as mine - I don't know. I can only hope that this government will overcome the remendous odds stacked against them.
Don't tell me that it's Staamers job to be the Opposition and question and criticise. At a time like this , it isn't. His job is to offer every assistance and realise the Country is fighting a war, ffs.
 
Hobbit said:
I expect that many, if not most, will take up their option to retire, and I do agree that many more will suffer from just being worn out and/or PTSD. However, just where will all the others that want to leave, leave for? Where will their "transferable skills" take them?

As for Hancock criticising the troops; I agree it was a stupid move. But on the lack of PPE, or it being in the wrong place/not delivered. Just about everyone wants to blame the govt. I'm not defending them nor criticising them, although there may well be some culpability there. But just what is the process for a hospital to have enough PPE on-site? C'mon Hugh, you're a PM by trade. You know how this sort of thing works.

The hospitals recognise the need. The hospitals order the product from the supplier. The supplier is a private company, i.e. not the govt, and the supplier supplies the product. If a supplier determines they don't have enough stock, they either source more stock and/or ramp up production. Where are the govt culpable in that shortfall?
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I’m not judging the performance of government getting PPE sorted - my wife’s point is that it is not great to suggest that health and care workers are making things worse - especially when many are fearful for their life and health of their families - but continue to work as they must.
 
Fish said:
Like many before, they'll go to the agency's so they can earn more and have control more on what shifts they want to work. They won't leave per se imo, they'll just control where and when they want to work.
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My Mrs agrees 100% with this. But many may leave - upset and saddened that all of a sudden after years of struggle they are the most valued people in the country. And they might get a medal!

Remember the views expressed by so many not that long ago about the Junior Doctors and their concerns and actions over working conditions? Where did that get them?
 
Swinglowandslow said:
This is one excellent post which the likes of Starmer and Blunkett should read and then tell us what their knowledge of this situation is.
It's the same as mine - I don't know. I can only hope that this government will overcome the remendous odds stacked against them.
Don't tell me that it's Staamers job to be the Opposition and question and criticise. At a time like this , it isn't. His job is to offer every assistance and realise the Country is fighting a war, ffs.
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No we are not at war, we won't beat this with our resilience and indefeatable spirit, but sensible decisions based on the science. All the war analogies are kind of what we tend to retreat to in this country.

It is a pandemic, one that is impacting every country and certain countries seem to be approaching it differently and having different results at this stage. So whilst any opposition should not be disagreeing with the government just for the sake of it as usually happens, it is the job of any opposition to question where appropriate, as if you are saying that you can not question any governments approach then that is not a democracy and more of a dictatorship.
 
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