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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Stuart_C said:
Johnson saving lives?

Have you forgotten how he was the one who was bragging about shaking hands with infected patients? Herd immunity and taking it on the chin?
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Imo a form of herd immunity is still the only way we come through this. The vaccine is likely a year away. I don't see us being in lockdown that long.

And I meant the role of a pm will save lives. I trust a jumped up polical party to be more effective at ruling than if we left it to the public.

Whether people like him or not, imo A prime Minister does have an elivated status.
 
bobmac said:
To be fair, if your wife works with sick people and shows symptoms of the virus, why does she need testing?
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Because the symptoms aren’t exclusive. One reason that healthcare systems are overloaded is because of staff shortages, brought about by the need to self isolate when presenting symptoms, symptoms that could be something else. Testing would clarify this
 
Wolf said:
I believe the PM is a priority to be tested and rightly imo was tested. However I agree with your point about others also need the vital testing such as NHS workers and all those in the direct firing line for this. I never said they shouldn't be and I think it should be a case of all those people being prioritised and tested asap.
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Ok, but if there was a choice to make. You have 1 test in your hand.. Who gets it? The PM or a Doctor dealing with patients?

And yes, I know you'll never have that choice to make, but that's the (occasional) beauty of this discussion. Someone did have that choice to make. And they chose badly in my opinion.
 
bluewolf said:
Ok, but if there was a choice to make. You have 1 test in your hand.. Who gets it? The PM or a Doctor dealing with patients?

And yes, I know you'll never have that choice to make, but that's the (occasional) beauty of this discussion. Someone did have that choice to make. And they chose badly in my opinion.
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Simple test the person showing symptoms who can then make the decisions about getting more tests for the Dr and all his team as soon as possible
 
Interesting interview on the BBC today when the much quoted "20 to 50%" frontline hospital staff off sick at the moment. "So is that all Covid-19 related" - "well no that is total absence" - "so some hospitals have 50% off sick" - "well that's anecdotal but anywhere between 20 and 50%"...

This is not the time for exaggerating and point scoring and slagging off the government just because you don't support them as a rule...they're doing their best in such extreme circumstances it beggars belief. The costs are just off the scale and at some stage will need to be reckoned with but, right now, I'd say they're doing an amazing job.

My brother in law lives in the US and has been laid off for 4 weeks. He's a senior engineer. His company don't have to pay him a bean and unemployment benefit is $9 an hour.

Again - I'd say we are being pretty well treated by the government.
 
bluewolf said:
Ok, but if there was a choice to make. You have 1 test in your hand.. Who gets it? The PM or a Doctor dealing with patients?

And yes, I know you'll never have that choice to make, but that's the (occasional) beauty of this discussion. Someone did have that choice to make. And they chose badly in my opinion.
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I’d choose the PM, tough decision, but they has the power/authority to make a bigger impact in the mid to long term and possibly save other Doctors.

Thank god I’ll never have to make it.
 
bluewolf said:
Ok, but if there was a choice to make. You have 1 test in your hand.. Who gets it? The PM or a Doctor dealing with patients?

And yes, I know you'll never have that choice to make, but that's the (occasional) beauty of this discussion. Someone did have that choice to make. And they chose badly in my opinion.
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A slight different slant on that conversation. The test comes back positive. If its the doctor then it's likely to actually cost lives directly as he can't save them for a week.

Many doctors, nurses, soldiers etc go into harms way accepting the risk and that's what makes them heroes.
 
bluewolf said:
Because if she shows mild symptoms but is confirmed not to have Coronavirus then she can stay at work and help people who do have it....
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She'd have to wait 4 days for the test results correct? That's how long they took a month or so ago when it went off in my miss' office, imagine it's probably worse now with the scale.

Those 3 days could be crucial, it's not ideal. But worth mentioning.
 
Papas1982 said:
A slight different slant on that conversation. The test comes back positive. If its the doctor then it's likely to actually cost lives directly as he can't save them for a week.

Many doctors, nurses, soldiers etc go into harms way accepting the risk and that's what makes them heroes.
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Hang on. So you'd intentionally send an infectious person back onto the front line..
 
Papas1982 said:
A slight different slant on that conversation. The test comes back positive. If its the doctor then it's likely to actually cost lives directly as he can't save them for a week.

Many doctors, nurses, soldiers etc go into harms way accepting the risk and that's what makes them heroes.
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Are you saying don’t test healthcare workers as a positive test means they can’t work? Most symptoms are mild or can even test positive whilst asymptomatic. Still able to spread the contagion tho?
If you believe the virus is as deadly as reported, testing healthcare workers should be a priority,a- so they can carry on working if negative, b- to stop them transmitting to their, potentially more vulnerable, patients
 
I see now that food shops have reopened they are temp testing anyone who wants to go food shopping here, over 37.5 and not only do you not get in the shop but you are taken to isolation/quarantine centre & cannot return home

How do you reckon that would go down in the UK?
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Stu
The “Rich & Powerful” are just as likely to die from this as anybody else, so how about we cut the lower class victim stuff and accept that the government are doing their best in difficult circumstances.

Yes mistakes have been made and I’m sure more will happen, but hindsight is a wonderful thing that we do not have.

I’m furloughed and grateful that I am being kept safe and still getting most of my wages and will still have a job at the end of this.
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we should never accept the govt are doing their best; we should always question their actions (or inactions) & hold them to account.
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Stu
The “Rich & Powerful” are just as likely to die from this as anybody else, so how about we cut the lower class victim stuff and accept that the government are doing their best in difficult circumstances.

Yes mistakes have been made and I’m sure more will happen, but hindsight is a wonderful thing that we do not have.

I’m furloughed and grateful that I am being kept safe and still getting most of my wages and will still have a job at the end of this.
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Stuart_C said:
"Lower class victim stuff"....what an utter crass and disgraceful comment to make.

I expect better from you.

I now know where I stand with you.
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Stu
Apologies, a badly worded response

By lower class, I meant anyone not “Rich & Powerful” which is pretty well all of us.
It was not a dig at anyone’s perceived social status and certainly not meant as a sleight to you personally.

Probably a beer I owe you after this has all blown over ?
 
therod said:
Are you saying don’t test healthcare workers as a positive test means they can’t work? Most symptoms are mild or can even test positive whilst asymptomatic. Still able to spread the contagion tho?
If you believe the virus is as deadly as reported, testing healthcare workers should be a priority,a- so they can carry on working if negative, b- to stop them transmitting to their, potentially more vulnerable, patients
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You've changed the goal posts. My respomse was to question of 1 test, in which case I'd choose the pm.

Obviously I'd rather we could test all in the NHS but that's only viable with a antibody test as others simply testing every NHS member with any symptom would likely result in countless members being tested on multiple occasions and returning negative responses. That's not the best use of them either.
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Stu
Apologies, a badly worded response

By lower class, I meant anyone not “Rich & Powerful” which is pretty well all of us.
It was not a dig at anyone’s perceived social status and certainly not meant as a sleight to you personally.

Probably a beer I owe you after this has all blown over ?
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Phil, I know you enough (and I know Stu too well) to know that you didn't mean it in the way it may have come across and that Stu knows that too (y)
 
While we're going around in circles debating who should and should not be tested the bigger issue is that our testing has been woefully low and doesn't look like getting up to acceptable levels until the end of the April. We have capacity in the UK to undertake German levels of testing (it's more fragmented and there are discussions to be had about the role privatisation of NHS services has played in this after it all dies down) but from friends I know who still work in the sector the government were not looking at utilising this capacity until 4 weeks ago. China and it's successful annexation of Covid-19 was built around mass testing and we knew about that in January.
It's all well and good the Dunkirk spirit shining through from those on the ground now to get us up to speed but I'm afraid the government were asleep at the wheel on this one.
 
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