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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

bluewolf said:
Unfortunately, you’re answering the wrong question. It wasn’t “would they be tested” it was “should they be tested”.
ok then, another question.
What difference did it make that Johnson and Hancock etc were tested?
Their own guidelines stated that they should self isolate for 7 days if they showed symptoms. They did this. What would they have done differently if they hadn’t had the test? Would they have not followed their own guidelines?
Now imagine if a Doctor had shown symptoms, been tested using the Johnson test (they are in very short supply). Tested negative. Gone back to work. Saved lives.
Even if you ignore the morality of it, consider the political optics! Boris saves lives by foregoing the test and passing it on to the actual troops making a difference. Even I’d have respected that, and I think Boris is a charlatan of the lowest form.
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You know the rules only apply to us plebs, the rich and powerful have a different set of rules....

Do as we say, not as we do.
 
DanFST said:
That's why.
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I know. I'd have a bit of respect for any them ( any party MP) if they showed us a little bit back, instead of using the rhetoric "we're in this together" "we wont leave you" blah blah blah. But we really know the rich and powerful are all about themselves.
 
Stuart_C said:
I know. I'd have a bit of respect for any them ( any party MP) if they showed us a little bit back, instead of using the rhetoric "we're in this together" "we wont leave you" blah blah blah. But we really know the rich and powerful are all about themselves.
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If the most powerful man in the country can't get tested. Something is wrong.

You outraged that Merkel got tested? Or a load of Spanish politicians?
 
Stu
The “Rich & Powerful” are just as likely to die from this as anybody else, so how about we cut the lower class victim stuff and accept that the government are doing their best in difficult circumstances.

Yes mistakes have been made and I’m sure more will happen, but hindsight is a wonderful thing that we do not have.

I’m furloughed and grateful that I am being kept safe and still getting most of my wages and will still have a job at the end of this.
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Stu
The “Rich & Powerful” are just as likely to die from this as anybody else, so how about we cut the lower class victim stuff and accept that the government are doing their best in difficult circumstances.

Yes mistakes have been made and I’m sure more will happen, but hindsight is a wonderful thing that we do not have.

I’m furloughed and grateful that I am being kept safe and still getting most of my wages and will still have a job at the end of this.
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"Lower class victim stuff"....what an utter crass and disgraceful comment to make.

I expect better from you.

I now know where I stand with you.
 
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DanFST said:
If the most powerful man in the country can't get tested. Something is wrong.

You outraged that Merkel got tested? Or a load of Spanish politicians?
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I'm only going by the rules they've set out.

Any signs of symptoms self isolate for 7-14 days. I must've missed the small print on class ?
 
PhilTheFragger said:
The “Rich & Powerful” are just as likely to die from this as anybody else
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Sorry Phil (and I've seen a couple of other people make the same comment), but that isn't actually true. The people at the lower end of the social spectrum are more likely to die as they will be the ones filling the "essential" roles in the supply chain. They (we) won't be able to self isolate or work from home as they won't be able to afford to. They are more likely to catch and then pass on this disease to others in their own social (lower) class and then their own families.
 
bluewolf said:
Which he would’ve been able to do after self isolating for 7-14 days. As per the Doctors and Nurses etc who are actually on the front line ?
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No he wouldn't. Until your tested and certain, no chance of going anywhere. Yes it sucks that there aren't enough tests and somone should be held accountable when this is over. But if the PM getting tested gets in your bonnet. Jesus.

Stuart_C said:
"Lower class victim stuff"....what an utter crass and disgraceful comment to make.

I expect better from you.
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Get over it, no one apart from you took it that way. Stop.
 
DanFST said:
No he wouldn't. Until your tested and certain, no chance of going anywhere. Yes it sucks that there aren't enough tests and somone should be held accountable when this is over. But if the PM getting tested gets in your bonnet. Jesus.



Get over it, no one apart from you took it that way. Stop.
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It was directly aimed at me. I will take it the way I see it.
 
bluewolf said:
Iirc, you stated that Prince Charles may have paid for a private test (sorry if I’ve misremembered your post). That may actually be true, but Hancock yesterday confirmed that senior politicians did not get private tests. They were tested using public purchased tests.
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There was more - though whether same post or a different post I cant recall. But like I say, I ain't going to give that barrow another push.

To be fair, I think there are other threads where the going round in circles comment is even more apposite.

Ps - it isnt a dig at you personally .
 
Hobbit said:
The price hike is down to the volume you're purchasing. Its not a price hike, its list price. It works like this. Picking a number out of the air. List price £10. Buy 100, the price is £9. NHS procurement will buy a 1,000 at £8.

You're paying list price because of 2 things. You don't have a pre-purchase agreement, and you're not buying a volume to trigger discounts.
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If there's any price haggling going on and stopping delivery, then send an army truck to pick up the stuff and have a quiet word with the boss and make him/ her an offer they can't refuse?
 
Wish I'd logged on earlier... plenty of warmth in here this morning.

Should the PM have been tested? He has the power to make strategic decisions that could make a huge difference. Should the doctor be tested? Ideally, yes. But take the emotion out of it. Who will have the greatest impact? Its brutal, I know it doesn't read very pretty but that's the reality.

Should Charles be at the top of the list for testing? Private medicine can buy lots of things. On a simple level of who should and who shouldn't, and who will have the biggest impact? We all know the answer but when has society ever been fair?
 
bluewolf said:
Unfortunately, you’re answering the wrong question. It wasn’t “would they be tested” it was “should they be tested”.
ok then, another question.
What difference did it make that Johnson and Hancock etc were tested?
Their own guidelines stated that they should self isolate for 7 days if they showed symptoms. They did this. What would they have done differently if they hadn’t had the test? Would they have not followed their own guidelines?
Now imagine if a Doctor had shown symptoms, been tested using the Johnson test (they are in very short supply). Tested negative. Gone back to work. Saved lives.
Even if you ignore the morality of it, consider the political optics! Boris saves lives by foregoing the test and passing it on to the actual troops making a difference. Even I’d have respected that, and I think Boris is a charlatan of the lowest form.
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Imo, the pm and the future king should be tested if they show signs. Whether the symptoms are mild or not, then they know whether they need to be looked after properly if things get worse. If Boris had foregone it, and then gone downhill quickly he’d have been tested anyway. Imo people are under playing the role that the pm has in this. His decisions will save or cost lives long term and he will be judged on that, but to imply that the role of pm isn’t important is wrong imo.

I‘d not have tested lower ranking politicians. The problem with saying all nhs should be tested is that id imagine lots are showing signs and if we tested them every time then we’d probably never test anyone else.

Imo until the antibody test is available it’s all kinda mute. Once that’s out, test the emoter nhs workforce first. Then we know who’s had it and totally safe continuing.
 
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Why are people still talking about Boris being tested, wasn't that a week ago?? Christ! Of course they were going to test the bloody prime minister! Think about how many meetings he was having with top health officials etc. You're talking about testing one man in a position of power vs testing one doctor or nurse out of thousands upon thousands? It doesn't make sense as a comparison.

Testing Charles is another thing but I won't get into that as I'm not a fan of the monarchy anyway, and I don't want to provoke another three pages on that as well.
 
Hobbit said:
Wish I'd logged on earlier... plenty of warmth in here this morning.

Should the PM have been tested? He has the power to make strategic decisions that could make a huge difference. Should the doctor be tested? Ideally, yes. But take the emotion out of it. Who will have the greatest impact? Its brutal, I know it doesn't read very pretty but that's the reality.

Should Charles be at the top of the list for testing? Private medicine can buy lots of things. On a simple level of who should and who shouldn't, and who will have the biggest impact? We all know the answer but when has society ever been fair?
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If we all accept society has never been fair... Somebody needs to be having a word with team tory to stop pedalling the "we are in this together" lie ...
 
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