Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Imurg]

Sounds positive!
Did you lose your sense of taste and smell?

Not at all
Only symptoms I had were the cough and the tight chest plus a headache and tickly throat

 

[hovis]

Nothing that's been released officially is confusing to me either, yet we still have people complaining that Factories are open who aren't "Essential". We still have people complaining that someone has spent more than an hour walking the dog. We still have Police issuing summons for buying Easter eggs (Warrington Police). The rules are abundantly clear, but they are also far too vague (if you get my drift).

yes, I understand. rules like this would take years to put in place and iron out but we ask our police to manage within a few days. I was actually sat with the police when they found out on the TV that things where being locked down. in the meantime I see that we have no choice but to allow the police to use their discretion. some will get it wrong and some will get it right. that's just tough luck. if someone thinks it's OK to go shopping for Easter eggs then they should expect a fine.

 

[Hobbit]

Why is Spain so badly hit?

I've just read another 849 deaths yesterday.

Italy is being blamed.

There was a Champion's League game in Bergamo. The mayor of Bergamo was incredulous calling it a "bomb waiting to go off."

The infection growth rate is slowing but the death rate is still rising exponentially. Roughly, the death rate runs around a week behind the infection rate.

God knows how long this is going to go on for? When you look at what the numbers were when the lockdown was imposed compared to what they are now, I wonder what they need to be before the lockdown is lifted. We're a week and a half away from when the current lockdown expires, and legally it can't be extended more than 2 weeks at a time, I can't see it being lifted before the 26th April at the earliest.

 

[Imurg]

yes, I understand. rules like this would take years to put in place and iron out but we ask our police to manage within a few days. I was actually sat with the police when they found out on the TV that things where being locked down. in the meantime I see that we have no choice but to allow the police to use their discretion. some will get it wrong and some will get it right. that's just tough luck. if someone thinks it's OK to go shopping for Easter eggs then they should expect a fine.

Should the shops expect a fine for selling Easter eggs?

 

[bluewolf]

yes, I understand. rules like this would take years to put in place and iron out but we ask our police to manage within a few days. I was actually sat with the police when they found out on the TV that things where being locked down. in the meantime I see that we have no choice but to allow the police to use their discretion. some will get it wrong and some will get it right. that's just tough luck. if someone thinks it's OK to go shopping for Easter eggs then they should expect a fine.

Good luck enforcing that one through the courts.

I agree that the Police are in an incredibly difficult position. However, it would be made easier if Politicians didn't keep fudging it.. And yes, some people are taking the pish as well, and they should be arrested/fined/beheaded etc. But the Police have been put in an impossible position by the Governments half-hearted measures.

 

[Hobbit]

News last night suggested it had got into the care homes... and an Italian mate was telling me it was the older community in the villages that were being hit in Italy..
But that still doesn’t account for the young who were considered to be strong and have a healthy immune system.
I also read and heard a theory that it’s the level of exposure as well .. but all is just speculation.

I read an article about exposure levels - can't remember what the publication was nor the techno speak but there was an analogy in it that made it sound simple. If you're stood in 2 inches of water you won't drown, but if you're dropped in the middle of the Atlantic you will drown.

If your body only gets hit with one droplet it might fight it easily but if your get smothered in a good sneeze it will be harder to fight.

 

[hovis]

Should the shops expect a fine for selling Easter eggs?

you make a very good point. the same as i see fish and chip shops are open and the Indian next door too but for takeaways only. I went out this morning for my neighbours shopping at the local shop. they had absolutely nothing on the list. I left with a can of redbull for myself. had a policeman been stood outside I think I would have been fined. looking back, what was I thinking!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

nothing the government had said to me has been confusing. in fact, it couldn't be simpler. confusion comes when people take that info and try to crowbar their agenda into it

Put your ball on the tee and don't touch it again until you pick it out of the hole.

Now that is all we are actually being asked to do in respect of isolation in a coronavirus epidemic, but so many find all sorts of scenarios that make the straightforward advice inapplicable to them - complicated, ambiguous and confusing.

Put the ball on the tee and don't touch it again until you pick it out of the hole. We all understand that 100%. That is all we are being asked to do.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

I read an article about exposure levels - can't remember what the publication was nor the techno speak but there was an analogy in it that made it sound simple. If you're stood in 2 inches of water you won't drown, but if you're dropped in the middle of the Atlantic you will drown.

If your body only gets hit with one droplet it might fight it easily but if your get smothered in a good sneeze it will be harder to fight.

Spent a whole lockdown evening reading about Viral loading. Loads on google and science based website about it.

A link here if anyone wishes to read a bit about it :-

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-questions-about-covid-19-and-viral-load/

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I read an article about exposure levels - can't remember what the publication was nor the techno speak but there was an analogy in it that made it sound simple. If you're stood in 2 inches of water you won't drown, but if you're dropped in the middle of the Atlantic you will drown.

If your body only gets hit with one droplet it might fight it easily but if your get smothered in a good sneeze it will be harder to fight.

Unless that is you fall face down and can't get up (our elderly mostly). We can get drowned in 2" of water...which rather strengthens your point.

 

[larmen]

Isn’t that effectively what vaccinations are? Getting hit with the tiniest amount possible so you get antibodies, but they overwhelm the infection immediately?

 

[hovis]

Isn’t that effectively what vaccinations are? Getting hit with the tiniest amount possible so you get antibodies, but they overwhelm the infection immediately?

I'm not a doctor but I believe they give you a decent dose but with a dead virus

 

[Blue in Munich]

Why is Spain so badly hit?

I've just read another 849 deaths yesterday.

I read something somewhere that the BCG injection which we used to get might provide some level of protection. Apparently this was much less given in Spain and Italy and there was a suspicion that this might have some bearing on the levels of fatalities. If I find the link I'll post it up.

 

[Hobbit]

Unless that is you fall face down and can't get up (our elderly mostly). We can get drowned in 2" of water...which rather strengthens your point.

Hair for the splitting of... really Hugh, that pedantic?

My post says if you're stood in 2 inches of water you won't drown. Seems pretty straightforward don't you think?

 

[Deleted member 21258]

I'm not a doctor but I believe they give you a decent dose but with a dead virus

I reckon you should be renamed on the forum to Dr Death.

Sorry it gave a right old chuckle to me/wife, can we pass on your offer of a vaccination at your clinic with a decent dose of the deadly virus.

Thanks for the laugh, always good to laugh. Thanks. (ps my post is a light hearted post btw, and certainly not anything else and sometimes as you say the dead virus is used)

Some info here about vaccines:-

https://www.publichealth.org/public-awareness/understanding-vaccines/vaccines-work/

 

[Jacko_G]

Good luck enforcing that one through the courts.

I agree that the Police are in an incredibly difficult position. However, it would be made easier if Politicians didn't keep fudging it.. And yes, some people are taking the pish as well, and they should be arrested/fined/beheaded etc. But the Police have been put in an impossible position by the Governments half-hearted measures.

Laws are in place therefore enforcing it in courts shouldn't be a problem if the courts have the balls to follow through on the laws they created.

Powers were brought in to help the NHS and the public health.

People flaunt them, get caught and blame the police. Absolutely pathetic.

Give people who are caught a set of scrubs and a face mask and tell them to work 3 days in their local hospital and see how much they are moaning about their human rights after that. Might curb their selfishness.

 

[MegaSteve]

The local woods where I take my MTB have announced they are closing the car park and the police will be patrolling. Recently it has been very busy with families and dog walkers who don't appear to be from the area, you could see some groups were quite obviously taking the pi$$. I messaged the trust who look after the woods and they says it's fine for people who live locally to still go there on foot and bicycle ?

Just back from my daily allowance in the local woods... Very few folk about... Much less than last week... Car parks to local beauty spot (Lido) had three cars in the area for Boro' residents with a further five in the outer car park for non-residents...

And, no (for those interested) I didn't drive, two mins walk for me to gain access...

And, @Orikoru walk took me to Haste Hill... Greens, tee boxes look to have been recently cut... Bunkers could do with a good raking... Nothing new there?...

 

[bluewolf]

Laws are in place therefore enforcing it in courts shouldn't be a problem if the courts have the balls to follow through on the laws they created.

Powers were brought in to help the NHS and the public health.

People flaunt them, get caught and blame the police. Absolutely pathetic.

Give people who are caught a set of scrubs and a face mask and tell them to work 3 days in their local hospital and see how much they are moaning about their human rights after that. Might curb their selfishness.

I'm not sure that my Mrs wants a load of untrained civvies helping her on the front line, but I'll pass on your idea and let you know when she stops laughing...

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Laws are in place therefore enforcing it in courts shouldn't be a problem if the courts have the balls to follow through on the laws they created.

Powers were brought in to help the NHS and the public health.

People flaunt them, get caught and blame the police. Absolutely pathetic.

Give people who are caught a set of scrubs and a face mask and tell them to work 3 days in their local hospital and see how much they are moaning about their human rights after that. Might curb their selfishness.

You are missing the point some what! They don’t want people summoned to court and given a criminal record for these offences!

How many more are you going to risk and force in to making unnecessary journeys for Court appearances etc!

 

[Hobbit]

I agree. And there's no doubt that we, the general public, did not get of to a great start!
But I think we've got better. And whatever it seems, I'm not running around in the open citing my civil rights, I'm just concerned that going in too hard will be counter productive, and that wanton authoritarianism will have future unwelcome consequences.

To be fair, the people in Spain didn't get off to a great start either. We got 48 hrs notice, which also included some mixed messages. Some places closed on the Friday afternoon, some on the Saturday and 99.99% on the Sunday. A significant number of people partied like the end of the world was coming on the Saturday. We also got the gentle chats in the first few days of lockdown, with things becoming more stringently enforced over time.

There was the odd over zealous police officer, thinking of that police sergeant in London that fined the bakery for putting lines on the pavement, and we're still getting conflicting messages, e.g. which town we can travel to shop in.

All it needs is the application of common sense. We all know what a necessary journey is. We all know what social distancing is. And if we pinned down the people that push it, if they were honest, they know what the answers are too.