Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

pauljames87 said:
Isn't it down to level of training and 'skill' required for said diff rolls

Shelf stacker how much training? Not saying they are low skilled not in that debate

A nurse is how many years training?

It would be very tough to work out
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Both should be equally valued and understand their role in society.

That doesn’t mean they deserve the same wage or should be paid the same.

No nurse should expect to use foodbank or go in to debt to become qualified, just like the shelf stacker shouldn’t need state handouts to top up their wage.

Wages at the “bottom” should start at a level were people can live.

I hate this is X worth 5 times more than Y etc, that’s not how we should look at it.
 
MikeB said:
According to the news the other night train drivers are worth a 29% rise over 4 years giving them 67k, are they really worth x 2.5 nurses?
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Where was this? Was it night tube ? Because if it is I can safely say that's fake news
 
pauldj42 said:
Why does a Nurse deserve 2 1/2 times a shelf stacker, maybe all jobs simply need an honest decent wage so regardless of profession they are not living in a constant state of worry or anxiety.

A decent fair wage at the lowest level shouldn’t be the guage for what everyone else is paid.

The biggest problem is the gap between the top and bottom.

Look at how Home & Bargain are dealing with their staff compared to Virgin. Sometimes it’s more about feeling valued.
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OK maybe the nurse wage was a little over the top. But of course they should be paid more. Unless we are simply gonna go dowm the route of telling people what job they should do.

How many years of training does it take to become qualified. Would as many people do that if they could earn 40k for staking shelves. Harsh as it is. Paying everyone imo crazy money would stunt ambition.
 
UK Active who form part of CIMSPA the governing bodies that regulate and audit Leisure centres, gyms etc. Has sent out info to gyms advising the government are doing all they can to keep them open for use to promote exercise to help fend off virus by keeping people fit and active. Part of the advice is to close Sauna facilities to prevent close contact. Swimming pools to remain open but using 2m lane separation as the chemicals in water apparently will remove virus(I know very well how the chlorination and acid process and backwash works but im not a scientist so not sure how even with modern multi port filtration systems how that prevents spread of the virus).

Also every alternate piece of cardio kit is switched off to ensure adequate separation, as well as all machines / free wight benches etc to be separated. Cutting class timetables to prevent group activities. All this plus other cleaning protocols put in place.

All this is obviously a huge help to prevent spread but it doesn't account for people that think they don't have to be included in doing their bit individually.

So as far as we know everything is safe to remain open and use, but I've advised my staff if they see anyone flouting rules or displaying symptoms they're entitled to ask them to leave the club and revoke access in future until we have further info to protect themselves and other members.
 
Papas1982 said:
OK maybe the nurse wage was a little over the top. But of course they should be paid more. Unless we are simply gonna go dowm the route of telling people what job they should do.

How many years of training does it take to become qualified. Would as many people do that if they could earn 40k for staking shelves. Harsh as it is. Paying everyone imo crazy money would stunt ambition.
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Again though mate, without coming across as rude, who’s talking about paying everyone crazy money or telling people what job they should do?

Totally agree effort and training should be rewarded.

That’s the extremes you’re using. I’m talking about decent living wages were people don’t need extra support or Companies stopped from making hideous profits etc, multi, multi billionaires shouldn’t be allowed.
 
pauldj42 said:
Again though mate, without coming across as rude, who’s talking about paying everyone crazy money or telling people what job they should do?

Totally agree effort and training should be rewarded.

That’s the extremes you’re using. I’m talking about decent living wages were people don’t need extra support or Companies stopped from making hideous profits etc, multi, multi billionaires shouldn’t be allowed.
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It's no coincidence that the most significant social change of the last 100 years of so have come after the upheaval of ww1&2. Would we even have an NHS otherwise?
It'll be interesting to see how much appetite for change there is once this is out of the way.
Big companies paying tax? Rich people paying tax? Would be nice to think so....
 
Papas1982 said:
OK maybe the nurse wage was a little over the top. But of course they should be paid more. Unless we are simply gonna go dowm the route of telling people what job they should do.

How many years of training does it take to become qualified. Would as many people do that if they could earn 40k for staking shelves. Harsh as it is. Paying everyone imo crazy money would stunt ambition.
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I think this whole pay debate is best left for a separate discussion board as there are so many rabbit holes we can go down with it. Like why does a nurse, copper or fireman deserve a higher starting wage than a soldier, airman or Sailor whose training is in many instances more intense and their jobs are often more life threatening and mean many months away from families etc.

We shouldn't pay anyone crazy money whether its a nurse, postal work or shelf stacker. Ultimately anyone working anywhere has a right to go to work be respected for what they do which adds to society in some way whether through taxes paid, putting food in shelves so we all get to eat or looking after our health care or nation's security, in addition to that respect they all regardless of role deserve a salary that allows them to live without having to seek further government assistance just to eat and keep a roof over their heads..

As part of this outbreak I don't merely want people to acknowledge how hard NHS workers work or supermarkets workers are undervalued. I want people acknowledge how important it is to be kind and helpful to other men and women as a whole and society to acknowledge we are all in this together and support each other as a whole instead of point scoring of who deserves what.
 
Went to Morrisons.. it looked stocked for fresh produce and supplies.. no bog rolls etc. it was a quick in and out to get some greens, bread etc. The place was swarming in about 15 mins. Took me about 20 mins to get into the tills .. it is really like Christmas out there. They might as well put Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You on the tannoy...

Went down to the local Asian shop to pick some rice. Given that Ramadan is around the corner, the place was packed. A bit of chaos at the till, when they realised that some mischief monger had put a pack of frozen pepperoni pizza in one of the freezers. FFS.. this happens in 2020?? Does bring out the best and worst in people
 
Read somewhere that hot drinks can help combat coronavirus by flushing the virus from the throat (cold drinks dont do this apparently) where it lives to the stomach where the acid can kill it. Hot toddies all round then :D
 
Russ_D said:
Read somewhere that hot drinks can help combat coronavirus by flushing the virus from the throat (cold drinks dont do this apparently) where it lives to the stomach where the acid can kill it. Hot toddies all round then :D
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Not true I'm afraid.
The virus will already be invading the cells in the throat...doesn't stop you having one though..
Down the hatch(y)
 
Russ_D said:
Read somewhere that hot drinks can help combat coronavirus by flushing the virus from the throat (cold drinks dont do this apparently) where it lives to the stomach where the acid can kill it. Hot toddies all round then :D
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What absolute rubbish you read then. Hot drinks don't flush it from the throat and nor does stomach acid kill the virus. That's another social media muppet falsehood that's already be debunked by the WHO.

Though a hot toddy is always a good idea just because they're nice.
 
Russ_D said:
Read somewhere that hot drinks can help combat coronavirus by flushing the virus from the throat (cold drinks dont do this apparently) where it lives to the stomach where the acid can kill it. Hot toddies all round then :D
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Apparently just water will help do the same. Don't know who to believe on all these things, but the mrs is a nurse and gets a lot of her info from Japan. Hence why we're drinking a snifter of high alcohol content spirits before bed too. :D. If it's all BS, we're no worse off:D
 
Wolf said:
What absolute rubbish you read then. Hot drinks don't flush it from the throat and nor does stomach acid kill the virus. That's another social media muppet falsehood that's already be debunked by the WHO.

Though a hot toddy is always a good idea just because they're nice.
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I always go by the "take it with a pinch of salt".....the internet advice, not the toddy :)
 
pauljames87 said:
We are already prepared for self isolation, we have parents who will shop for us. And we can leave porch open (or not they have keys) dump the goods in there . We take in then spray down the porch to remove our germs where possible

A lot of companies are pushing for cashless payments to stop that handling cash. That would help them and us for a bit
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I've been doing cashless payments wherever possible for about 5 years, lol. What is this cash you speak of? :LOL:
 
Orikoru said:
I've been doing cashless payments wherever possible for about 5 years, lol. What is this cash you speak of? :LOL:
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Always helpful for tips for delivery drivers

My mother in law just got here

She's been given a list of key workers for her school

Prison staff
Supermarket staff
Petrol staff
Dental nurses (incase they get called into NHS itself)

The full list comes out soon
 
Papas1982 said:
I think sometimes emotion needs to be taken out of the scenario. i doubt before this anyone can honestly say they felt shelve stackers were vital or warranted a massive wage increase. Yes people were against zero hour contracts and minimum wage has been rising and even including a living wage, but You also need to think of the consequences of said wage increases on career aspirations.
£20 an hour equates to 40k a year. Realistically one of the main driving forces for career aspirations is how you think it’ll reward you. If you can get 40k to stack shelves. How many kids would settle for that Instead of looking for a carrier that would generally pay that (or less).

If a shelf stacker is worth 40k a nurse then becomes 100k. That’s all well and good, how are said nurses paid. We‘d increase taxes and then all of a sudden the 40k shelve stackers earn is no better to them anyway as they’re taxed more heavily.

As to others earning too much, that’s simply supply and demand in most cases. Or what added value they can bring. A ceo will earn a crazy amount of money, it they’ll also have massive responsibilities. Without guys at the top, lots below wouldn’t know how to make a business function. Anybody who works for a company, is working for an entity someone had the idea to start. Without rewarding these is No progress.
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You are the one that threw the £20 an hour figure around.
 
I think some of the fake news narrative and encouragement by politicians to use social media and not previously trusted news organizations is coming home to roost a bit. As it's frightening how much some stupid people believe some gash they read on Facebook or Instagram when you are dealing with deadly diseases, and don't have the intelligence to do a basic look up on google of coronavirus facts from someone like the world health organization. Fine if you want to believe Aliens landed in Area 51, not so clever if you dealing with life and death.
 
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