Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

PNWokingham said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...arliest-date-gradual-easing-restrictions.html

i hope this is wrong. Very depressing
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Well, it should be a warning to people that unless they get their act together, this will not end anytime soon. It says in the piece that there will not be a relaxation other than schools. If they are serious about breaking this crisis, they need to keep schools off too. Schools send a signal that normality is returning, and the current plan for lateral flow testing daily is fraught with problems. We have seen the effects of failing to really get control before. Lets not repeat the mistake.

Perhaps the could sell a longer set of restrictions on the 'suffer a bit now, maybe have a summer holiday later' basis.
 
Horse Racing is one of the elite sports that are being allowed to carry on - and it’s not just at the benefit for bookings, there is a lot of people behind that rely on these meets to go ahead , it’s huge financially for a lot of people.

It was always planned and believe NHS were aware before Newbury offered to host it as a vaccine hub. Also believe that other provisions have been made so that vaccine program still happens and a plan is being put into place to ensure that both can happen . Everything is happening very quickly for a lot of people.

We do need to stop reacting to headlines and also understand that there is lot of consequences when things stopped.
 
Weather a bit mixed this week, but certainly appears as if there are a few less cars on the road and the car park at our main shopping centre is quieter.

This is only based on my local area and my impressions since Christmas as I exercise roughly around the same time everyday.

Others areas may differ.(y)
 
The racing issue is an interesting one, given the role of Cheltenham in getting the pandemic off to a racing start, and the closeness of some Govt figures to the racing community. From a vaccination point of view, it probably causes little harm, because supply of vaccine is the rate limiting step right now, so, to borrow a racing term, the vaccinators are having to pace themselves anyway. From an optics point of view, it looks a bit bad, though. I assume it is a behind closed doors, social distancing, made for TV and betting event.
 
pauldj42 said:
Weather a bit mixed this week, but certainly appears as if there are a few less cars on the road and the car park at our main shopping centre is quieter.

This is only based on my local area and my impressions since Christmas as I exercise roughly around the same time everyday.

Others areas may differ.(y)
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Not sure where you drove mate but the A1 between Metro Centre and Newton Aycliffe was rammed again this morning, just like it has been since the end of the last lockdown. Strangley though the traffic further south around Leeds and Manchester is definitely quieter.
 
Beezerk said:
Not sure where you drove mate but the A1 between Metro Centre and Newton Aycliffe was rammed again this morning, just like it has been since the end of the last lockdown. Strangley though the traffic further south around Leeds and Manchester is definitely quieter.
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The local roads in Leeds are still pretty busy from what I can see but, as you suggest, the motorways in the area have lighter traffic.
A hell of a lot of folk walking in the local parks. With & without dogs etc.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Horse Racing is one of the elite sports that are being allowed to carry on - and it’s not just at the benefit for bookings, there is a lot of people behind that rely on these meets to go ahead , it’s huge financially for a lot of people.

It was always planned and believe NHS were aware before Newbury offered to host it as a vaccine hub. Also believe that other provisions have been made so that vaccine program still happens and a plan is being put into place to ensure that both can happen . Everything is happening very quickly for a lot of people.

We do need to stop reacting to headlines and also understand that there is lot of consequences when things stopped.
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Surely the fixture could have been switched to a different venue though?
 
Really worrying study just came out from Israel.

They have looked at 200,000 recipients of the Pfizer vaccine (over 60s), and are reporting that after 2 weeks the vaccine only gave 33% more protection than those who hadn't had the jab. The decision here to delay giving the second jab was based on an assumption the figure would be much higher.

Israel is sticking with the manufacturer's recommended 3 week gap. I really hope we reverse policy as do the same, even if it means I will have to wait a lot longer for the first jab.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...l-raises-questions-about-uk-strategy-12192751
 
rudebhoy said:
Really worrying study just came out from Israel.

They have looked at 200,000 recipients of the Pfizer vaccine (over 60s), and are reporting that after 2 weeks the vaccine only gave 33% more protection than those who hadn't had the jab. The decision here to delay giving the second jab was based on an assumption the figure would be much higher.

Israel is sticking with the manufacturer's recommended 3 week gap. I really hope we reverse policy as do the same, even if it means I will have to wait a lot longer for the first jab.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...l-raises-questions-about-uk-strategy-12192751
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See post 14,820
 
Beezerk said:
Not sure where you drove mate but the A1 between Metro Centre and Newton Aycliffe was rammed again this morning, just like it has been since the end of the last lockdown. Strangley though the traffic further south around Leeds and Manchester is definitely quieter.
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Only around Seaham mate, normally around rush hour/school starting etc and this week seems less cars moving about.?‍♂️
 
Seems to really vary round where I work. Definitely quieter during the day (main road outside my office window). Certainly quieter on the drive home but it is busy 2 or 3 mornings a week.
 
Ethan said:
Short version: They looked too soon. Needed to leave it another week.

Longer version:
This study was a case control study, which provides less persuasive data than a randomised controlled trial. You need to be certain that the controls are selected in a way that resembles the elements that matter. You may not even know what all of those factors are. In an RCT of adequate size, that is not a concern, because the unknown factors should be distributed evenly.

Second, I think they looked too soon. The text of the report says: "Then we looked to see what is the daily positivity rate... And we saw that there was no difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated until day 14 post-vaccination. But on day 14 post-vaccination, a drop of 33% in positivity was witnessed in the vaccinated group and not in the unvaccinated... this is really good news."

This suggests their primary analysis was on day 14. That is just after the lines separate. A week later it would have been much more convincing. Then after the booster, it jumps to 95%. Highly unlikely if 33% was the first shot ceiling. You can see the lines separate much more with time.

Third, sounds like they were looking at tests alone rather than tests and cases. Doing so captures a larger number, including those who were incubating when they got the shot, and asymptomatic, as well as false positives with old virus. This will dilute any perceived treatment effect. By the time of the second shot, that virus has cleared off and you get a clean treatment effect. In contrast, Pfizer required a PCR test AND characteristic symptoms.
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hopefully you are right, but this does seem to have raised worries.

will be interesting to see if they provide an update after 3 weeks.
 
DanFST said:
Physio mate topped himself this morning. I saw it coming. Posted it on here.

Lockdown meant I couldn't do s**t. 28 year old gone.
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It makes you look at yourself and wonder if you could have done something to help, it's absolutely horrible. I lost a family member to suiside and understand how you must be feeling. Take care.
 
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rudebhoy said:
hopefully you are right, but this does seem to have raised worries.

will be interesting to see if they provide an update after 3 weeks.
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Interestingly, that 33% number came from one of the two health insurers in Israel. The other one, which is also doing vaccination and taking part n the same review have reported a higher number for the effects. Times of Israel

This illustrates that these real world studies are messy and less well controlled than proper randomised studies. Studies of these size (hundred of thousands) have enormous statistical power to produce tight results and should not produce different results unless the people involved are different or there are other structural biases. Until we see peer reviewed detailed data, I am sticking with the numbers for the Pfizer randomised trials used for approval.
 
Imurg said:
Rooter would know...maybe there isn't another suitable site in the area that can deal with the numbers.
Would have been better if the racing was called off for a day.
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Agree. Once the venue was chosen as a vaccination centre , the authorities should have made sure it was available continually until the over 65s and vulnerables were done.
 
From the racecourses point of view, the racing is their income and it was made aware to the NHS that (at this point) they would not be operating the vaccine hub on the same day, this was accepted so it's not a sudden surprise. Apparently they're looking at ways of having the racing and the vaccinations working on the same day going forward.
 
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