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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

I said to my wife after the 1st lockdown that the big issue they would have when kids went back to school was inter generational mixing (Same at xmas). To prevent grandparents having to look after grandkids government should have rolled out extra provision for after school care so every child that needed it had a place. There are plenty of unused council facilities during the pandemic that could have been used, it would have needed funding and logistics but could have nipped a lot of spread into vulnerable groups in the bud.
 
clubchamp98 said:
I bought my dad a ticket for a show years ago .
But if he had needed a smartphone to get in I would not have bothered.
He still hid his money under the carpets as he didn’t trust banks.
Not all older people are tech savvy.
He had dementia,I was taking him to a concert to see if it revived any memories.
That’s why I asked the question what if you don’t/ can’t use a smartphone.??
I am not saying it won’t work for the vast majority it will.
But there are exceptions. What do they do?
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I've been mulling this one over, lockdown in January what else to do? I fully get your point, my mum is in the category of no computer, no smartphone, won't use contactless. With her it is a choice out of stubbornness, a badge of honour. If she had to use tech to do something she really wanted to do she could, she can just get away with it right now. A lot of people are in this group, the old golfers who absolutely couldn't book via brs or couldn't enter scores via a computer. When push comes to shove, ie you learn or you don't play, then miraculously they can manage.

The category that really matter here are not the stubborn, sorry mum, but those genuinely not capable. The question is do we hold back opening up various venues, events etc simply because that group can not manage the tech? For me, no. That group are relatively small in reality and should not hold everyone else, or those venues or events back. Instead of waiting for the perfect system that works for everyone we start with a system, app, that works for 95%. Once that is up and running we then look at the work around for the remaining 5%. We don't exclude that group but neither can we hold back for ever.

My figures, 95%-5%, are just guesstimates in my head incidentally.
 
DanFST said:
Also what is the NHS going to do to make sure BAME communities take the vaccine? I saw a recent poll stated only 28% in such communities would take the vaccine, despite being at much higher risk.
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What should they do " to make sure they take it."
Nothing for them to do. These refusers must live by their decision.
In fact, I would decline them access to where they might spread Covid.
And why should NHS staff etc risk themselves treating these refusers.
Note , I am saying refusers. I'm not talking about those who can't take the vaccine, or missed it etc. I'm talking about out and out refusers.
No sympathy whatsoever.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
What should they do " to make sure they take it."
Nothing for them to do. These refusers must live by their decision.
In fact, I would decline them access to where they might spread Covid.
And why should NHS staff etc risk themselves treating these refusers.
Note , I am saying refusers. I'm not talking about those who can't take the vaccine, or missed it etc. I'm talking about out and out refusers.
No sympathy whatsoever.
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Saw a news article that a lot of muslims were under the impression the vaccine contained meat in its make-up and so weren't going to take it. The mosques and imams were supposedly using Friday prayer to get the message over that these vaccines are safe to take. Whether it has any effect remains to be seen
 
DanFST said:
So "locking away" everyone hasn't worked. We didn't implement the processes to stop the spread, we lost control.

Older people are still dying at a tragic rate, and everyone is "locked away". Hospitals are at breaking point with those high risk sections of society. People with minimal risk of hospitalisation from covid are dying due to missing other treatments, suicide etc.

A change of tact surely should be investigated. We can't contain the spread, we are in a perpetual cycle of lockdowns and then moderate normality.
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No, not everyone is locked away. Far from it. Idiots who are selfish and do what they want before any thought of doing what they should are the ones spreading this virus.
Not the old, who are in the main," locked away".
Younger people who think the virus won't impact them.
And the irony is, it is impacting them . More of the younger section of society are going into I CU . That's because there are more of them being infected.
There is not , for some ne w reason, more younger ones in ICU, it's because there are many many more infections.
Today, I had a text from my Drs surgery exhorting me to stay home stay safe message. It started by saying. " Up to a third of people who get Covid have no symptoms and don't know they are spreading it."!!!
It's a stone cold certainty that most of those are younger people.
And , of course, it follows they would not have been tested and would not be part of the figures.
So, God knows how many positives there are out there.
Now, people are seeing the horrific figures and starting the usual blame game.
Now we are starting to blame the different age groups, and the way they are being or should be treated.
Alongside that it is blame the authorities game too.
We've become expert at the latter in this Countryover the years, more so since the compensation culture started .
So why not do it for Covid.?
Truth is, if we had all done what we've been asked to do, things would have been far better.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Saw a news article that a lot of muslims were under the impression the vaccine contained meat in its make-up and so weren't going to take it. The mosques and imams were supposedly using Friday prayer to get the message over that these vaccines are safe to take. Whether it has any effect remains to be seen
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Yep they think it contains Pork....
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-55666407

I was horrified when I went past a mosque near Poplar High St on Friday at about 1pm, there must have been 200 people all squeezing through some double doors to get out, maybe half were wearing masks? Those that were outside were just standing around, shaking hands and chatting...absolutely crazy! I know religion is responsible for a lot of deaths but not this way!
 
Tashyboy said:
The post above yours would suggest no, it’s affected Stu, one or 2 still have there agendas.but still it’s one of the most depressing topics on GM
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Except for the many post above those that took several excursions into the 'right to life' or care based on age or economic productivity.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
No, not everyone is locked away. Far from it. Idiots who are selfish and do what they want before any thought of doing what they should are the ones spreading this virus.
Not the old, who are in the main," locked away".
Younger people who think the virus won't impact them.
And the irony is, it is impacting them . More of the younger section of society are going into I CU . That's because there are more of them being infected.
There is not , for some ne w reason, more younger ones in ICU, it's because there are many many more infections.
Today, I had a text from my Drs surgery exhorting me to stay home stay safe message. It started by saying. " Up to a third of people who get Covid have no symptoms and don't know they are spreading it."!!!
It's a stone cold certainty that most of those are younger people.
And , of course, it follows they would not have been tested and would not be part of the figures.
So, God knows how many positives there are out there.
Now, people are seeing the horrific figures and starting the usual blame game.
Now we are starting to blame the different age groups, and the way they are being or should be treated.
Alongside that it is blame the authorities game too.
We've become expert at the latter in this Countryover the years, more so since the compensation culture started .
So why not do it for Covid.?
Truth is, if we had all done what we've been asked to do, things would have been far better.
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I just had to bold some of your post. I can't work out if you are blaming young people for the rise in hospitalisations, whilst complaining about people blaming others. Forgive me if I'm miles of the mark.

The average age of a covid patient has indeed gone down, from 60.2 to 58.8. It's hardly a dramatic drop, 1.4 years.

Edit: I'm not sure doing as we were told would have been enough. I'll get a holiday if I go more into it. But we were let down by those that decide, too late on almost everything. (Apart from vaccination, that seems to be going very well!)


drdel said:
Except for the many post above those that took several excursions into the 'right to life' or care based on age or economic productivity.
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Thats me! In almost every other medical situation, assessment is made on quality of life/impact on society. In this situation hospitals are packed full of mainly more experienced people with covid. Younger people are having appointments cancelled because hospitals can't cope. I know it's an emotive subject, but it's not unreasonable to think something has to change.
 
DanFST said:
I'm not sure doing as we were told would have been enough. I'll get a holiday if I go more into it. But we were let down by those that decide, too late on almost everything.
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Correct IMO. Despite the attempts of the MSM to whip everyone up into a frenzy the general population has been adhering to the guidelines. There are always going to be a minority who either will not or cannot follow the rules however they aren’t nearly as large in number as the media (and possibly government) would like you to believe.

The prevalence of the disease is almost solely down to the inaction and delayed action of those in charge. As mentioned early in the thread “hindsight is a wonderful thing” however the same mistakes keep being made and you cannot lay that at the feet of Bryan who wore a mask underneath his nose whilst getting a Bargain Bucket at KFC.

Obviously the more transmissible variant hasn’t helped however not having the powers the be farting about would probably have been a start.
 
road2ruin said:
Correct IMO. Despite the attempts of the MSM to whip everyone up into a frenzy the general population has been adhering to the guidelines. There are always going to be a minority who either will not or cannot follow the rules however they aren’t nearly as large in number as the media (and possibly government) would like you to believe.

The prevalence of the disease is almost solely down to the inaction and delayed action of those in charge. As mentioned early in the thread “hindsight is a wonderful thing” however the same mistakes keep being made and you cannot lay that at the feet of Bryan who wore a mask underneath his nose whilst getting a Bargain Bucket at KFC.

Obviously the more transmissible variant hasn’t helped however not having the powers the be farting about would probably have been a start.
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Yes, perish the thought that the Great British public should be expected to assume any responsibility.

The minority that find it impossible to comply can't in any way be to blame for transmission surely!
 
MetalMickie said:
Yes, perish the thought that the Great British public should be expected to assume any responsibility.

The minority that find it impossible to comply can't in any way be to blame for transmission surely!
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Of course there is responsibility by the population and, in the main they have done was has been required. The minority have spread it of course but it is a welcome distraction for those who could and should have done something about it and had the power to do so.
 
road2ruin said:
Of course there is responsibility by the population and, in the main they have done was has been required. The minority have spread it of course but it is a welcome distraction for those who could and should have done something about it and had the power to do so.
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But if more stringent rules had been introduced (as I think should have been the case) would not the recalcitrant rump have been greater.

And, to make it clear, I have never thought that any age group has had a monopoly on "difficulty" in complying.
 
DanFST said:
Thats me! In almost every other medical situation, assessment is made on quality of life/impact on society. In this situation hospitals are packed full of mainly more experienced people with covid. Younger people are having appointments cancelled because hospitals can't cope. I know it's an emotive subject, but it's not unreasonable to think something has to change.
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And older people are too. Why do you want to withhold care from older people?

It is an emotive subject, and there is a finite limit to the resources available but there’s a fine line to be walked about who gets care.

Its a discussion that needs to be had but where do you set an age limit on who should be cared for? The answer should be there shouldn’t be a limit, just a different strategy.

Alternatively, let’s have a discussion on Nazi Eugenics. Blunt but we’re not a million miles away from that.
 
Hobbit said:
And older people are too. Why do you want to withhold care from older people?

It is an emotive subject, and there is a finite limit to the resources available but there’s a fine line to be walked about who gets care.
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I don't want to withhold care from older people.

I want older people to get more protection, so they aren't ending up in hospital. They need to pick up grandkids from school, no. Employers should be forced to work with parents, or subsidies given to allow one parent to stop working till the pandemic is over. They should have priority over delivery slots for food and essentials. If they need social care, a fully vaccinated and sterile social worker should check up on them. They need to get to hospital appointments, a sterile transfer should be given to them to save them getting a taxi. Those younger people who want to see those at risk should have a legal responsibility to follow the exact same tighter restrictions.

I haven't said anything of an age limit, but the current one size fits all approach isn't doing its job. Those who are "high risk" are in hospital in record numbers, a year after the initial outbreak. It's not good enough.
 
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