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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Swinglowandslow said:
And your point is what- That breaking the rules shouldn't be concentrated on so that the offenders can be urged, cajoled, forced to toe the line?
Just let it happen as acceptable? It is what it is?
Of course it's a minority. But not an acceptable one.
Pick any football match where there has been ( very) bad crowd behaviour .
Any statistical analysis will tell you that the majority were behaving.
However, we all know how bad the overall experience would be.
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I didn't say that the minority was acceptable, my point is that maybe if there was a little positivity during what is a very difficult time for people maybe it would be appreciated. The way everything is reported at the moment you'd think that it was actually the majority who were breaking rules therefore what is the point of following them. The reality is that it's a small minority, read the article, 90% of adherence. Given that 'fatigue' was mentioned as early as March last year I think that the general population are, largely, doing a pretty good job given we're almost 12 months on and in the same situation.
 
GB72 said:
There would seem to be plenty of scope there to debate on whether golf, or sport in general, should be taking a stance in political matters without actually feeling the need to debate the merits or not of any particular political stance.
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Indeed. Let's assume the Trump brand is currently toxic. Should that influence the PGA of America or The R&A when choosing venues?

It is really a variation of the Justin Thomas ban/fine debate.
 
GB72 said:
I think the point is that a clear media focus on rule breaking has given a potentially inaccurate impression that, in fact, the majority are breaking the rules and such an impression does little to help overall compliance. An approach where more emphasis is placed n the good things that people are doing may give rise to an atmosphere where compliance is more rigorous whilst also not giving people who are wavering the excuse to break the rules because everyone else is. A press that attempts to be uniting rather than divisive in current times could be a benefit.
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What would be even more helpful would be a press that didn’t give airtime to airheads who drive to beauty spots for a peppermint tea and a batter and then moan like drains about the heavy handed attitude of the police.

The climb down on the FPN’s has given every man and his dog licence to drive wherever they want for a walk.
 
I had the radio on yesterday and the story was at a vaccination location. There were a number of elderly happily receiving the vaccine and discussing that it was the 1st time they had left their home in 10 months. The journalist was proper shocked/surprised - just couldn't put their head around it.
 
Blue in Munich said:
What would be even more helpful would be a press that didn’t give airtime to airheads who drive to beauty spots for a peppermint tea and a batter and then moan like drains about the heavy handed attitude of the police.

The climb down on the FPN’s has given every man and his dog licence to drive wherever they want for a walk.
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Even worse is the constant switching of standpoints. One week it will be that enforcement is not being taken seriously and the next it is that the police are being heavy handed and over zealous. It really is one thing that annoys me is the constant need to be contrary in every situation. If you are calling for tougher enforcement and that happens, say that it is good that this has occurred, hell even take some credit for it but do not then switch to the opposite stance.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
And your point is what- That breaking the rules shouldn't be concentrated on so that the offenders can be urged, cajoled, forced to toe the line?
Just let it happen as acceptable? It is what it is?
Of course it's a minority. But not an acceptable one.
Pick any football match where there has been ( very) bad crowd behaviour .
Any statistical analysis will tell you that the majority were behaving.
However, we all know how bad the overall experience would be.
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It is a behavioural and psychological point. If all people hear is bad news and people breaking rules then previously rule following people start to waiver. Why follow rules if everyone else is not? If you emphasise the bulk who follow the rules then those same rule followers will continue to do so.

An analogy I would give is around litter. If you go somewhere with lots of litter then people often join in, don't use the bins, don't take their rubbish home. If you go somewhere with little litter then people tend not to drop and take it away with them. It is a subtle thing but it happens
 
GB72 said:
Even worse is the constant switching of standpoints. One week it will be that enforcement is not being taken seriously and the next it is that the police are being heavy handed and over zealous. It really is one thing that annoys me is the constant need to be contrary in every situation. If you are calling for tougher enforcement and that happens, say that it is good that this has occurred, hell even take some credit for it but do not then switch to the opposite stance.
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This drives me nuts as well. Media pushing and pushing and pushing in article after article about people flouting the rules, getting "experts" to call for tougher measures, in interviews pushing politicians on when or if new restrictions will come in place, or why they haven't already, and then when they do come in, sob story after sob story about people who've been heavy handed by the police etc etc.
 
Blue in Munich said:
What would be even more helpful would be a press that didn’t give airtime to airheads who drive to beauty spots for a peppermint tea and a batter and then moan like drains about the heavy handed attitude of the police.

The climb down on the FPN’s has given every man and his dog licence to drive wherever they want for a walk.
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It was a ridiculous and heavy-handed move by Plod to fine them for that. Having a coffee makes it a picnic? That is a load of Pro V1s. This nonsense about driving is a red herring. Driving makes no difference to risk, you are probably never safer than alone in a car. It is what you do when you get to where you are driving that matters, and walking outdoors in the hills is safer than visiting Tesco.
 
GB72 said:
I think the point is that a clear media focus on rule breaking has given a potentially inaccurate impression that, in fact, the majority are breaking the rules and such an impression does little to help overall compliance. An approach where more emphasis is placed n the good things that people are doing may give rise to an atmosphere where compliance is more rigorous whilst also not giving people who are wavering the excuse to break the rules because everyone else is. A press that attempts to be uniting rather than divisive in current times could be a benefit.
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I accept your point. However, it is a fine line between ignoring and confronting bad behaviour in the hope that it will reduce or cease.
Your last sentence is one hundred per cent correct. One of the best sentences on this forum.
 
Ethan said:
It was a ridiculous and heavy-handed move by Plod to fine them for that. Having a coffee makes it a picnic? That is a load of Pro V1s. This nonsense about driving is a red herring. Driving makes no difference to risk, you are probably never safer than alone in a car. It is what you do when you get to where you are driving that matters, and walking outdoors in the hills is safer than visiting Tesco.
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Neither of us are fully aware of the circumstances, but given that this was my former field of expertise, I’ve got a couple of bob that says the young ladies version of events is further from the truth than Plod’s.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Neither of us are fully aware of the circumstances, but given that this was my former field of expertise, I’ve got a couple of bob that says the young ladies version of events is further from the truth than Plod’s.
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Police should never be put in a situation where they can be Judge, Jury and Executioner.

I remember getting a Section 59 Order. Completely unfair and incorrect use of the thing, quite frankly an abuse of power. I may not have been particularly polite to the coppers, but that shouldn't matter.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Neither of us are fully aware of the circumstances, but given that this was my former field of expertise, I’ve got a couple of bob that says the young ladies version of events is further from the truth than Plod’s.
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And given some others experience of the police?

Why did the police apologise?

Not something that they usually find easy to do. After all they could have just withdrawn the fixed penalty notices and left it at that.
 
Why not concentrate on those breaking the guidance? You only need 1 person not following the rules and being positive to infect any amount of people they come into contact with.

Masks, why do we allow “ medical exemptions” for people to not wear one. I refer back to my previous comment, and seeing as the virus is a respiratory illness anyone with issues breathing in a mask shouldn’t be out.....surely.?
 
From the gov site today re exercise

Meeting other people
It is against the law to meet socially with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble. You cannot leave home for recreational or leisure purposes (such as for a picnic or a social meeting).

Exercising
You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.

You can exercise in a public outdoor place:

  • by yourself
  • with the people you live with
  • with your support bubble (if you are legally permitted to form one)
  • in a childcare bubble where providing childcare
  • or, when on your own, with 1 person from another household
This includes but is not limited to running, cycling, walking, and swimming. Personal training can continue one-on-one unless everyone is within the same household or support bubble.

Public outdoor places include:

  • parks, beaches, countryside accessible to the public, forests
  • public gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them)
  • the grounds of a heritage site

  • playgrounds
Now thats today, was it the same last week. For me that’s not the issue, what we do and don’t do today has a knock on effect for the next month or so. Those women knew that meeting up could have a knock on effect. Today’s ” rules” you should not travel to an exercise area.you should not meet up with someone else. That’s quite clear. What’s not clear is some forces are saying we are getting tough and some are saying it’s a bit OTT..
So why the mixed messages again.

On the radio this morning there loving the thought the police had to back down and apologise to these two women who were exercising yet the next story they are moaning coz Boris has gone for a bike ride which according to today’s gov rules is ok. Media still Not sending out mixed messages is it. And yet throughout all this there are those who are still hell bent on breaking the rules.
 
Tashyboy said:
From the gov site today re exercise

Meeting other people
It is against the law to meet socially with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble. You cannot leave home for recreational or leisure purposes (such as for a picnic or a social meeting).

Exercising
You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.

You can exercise in a public outdoor place:

  • by yourself
  • with the people you live with
  • with your support bubble (if you are legally permitted to form one)
  • in a childcare bubble where providing childcare
  • or, when on your own, with 1 person from another household
This includes but is not limited to running, cycling, walking, and swimming. Personal training can continue one-on-one unless everyone is within the same household or support bubble.

Public outdoor places include:

  • parks, beaches, countryside accessible to the public, forests
  • public gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them)
  • the grounds of a heritage site

  • playgrounds
Now thats today, was it the same last week. For me that’s not the issue, what we do and don’t do today has a knock on effect for the next month or so. Those women knew that meeting up could have a knock on effect. Today’s ” rules” you should not travel to an exercise area.you should not meet up with someone else. That’s quite clear. What’s not clear is some forces are saying we are getting tough and some are saying it’s a bit OTT..
So why the mixed messages again.

On the radio this morning there loving the thought the police had to back down and apologise to these two women who were exercising yet the next story they are moaning coz Boris has gone for a bike ride which according to today’s gov rules is ok. Media still Not sending out mixed messages is it. And yet throughout all this there are those who are still hell bent on breaking the rules.
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Define “Local Area”
 
Boris's cycle ride was in a park 7 miles from Downing Street and he had to be transported there Foremark Reservoir is 5 miles from where the two ladies live.

Define local!

And you can exercise with no more than one person from another household.
 
Tashyboy said:
Cressida Dick says you leave your front door ( either walk or ride a bike) and return to your front door. That will do for me. Any exercise that means getting in your car is not local.
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I didn't realise that the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police was now making the law and defining the regulations.
 
Tashyboy said:
From the gov site today re exercise

Meeting other people
It is against the law to meet socially with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble. You cannot leave home for recreational or leisure purposes (such as for a picnic or a social meeting).

Exercising
You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.

You can exercise in a public outdoor place:

  • by yourself
  • with the people you live with
  • with your support bubble (if you are legally permitted to form one)
  • in a childcare bubble where providing childcare
  • or, when on your own, with 1 person from another household
This includes but is not limited to running, cycling, walking, and swimming. Personal training can continue one-on-one unless everyone is within the same household or support bubble.

Public outdoor places include:

  • parks, beaches, countryside accessible to the public, forests
  • public gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them)
  • the grounds of a heritage site

  • playgrounds
Now thats today, was it the same last week. For me that’s not the issue, what we do and don’t do today has a knock on effect for the next month or so. Those women knew that meeting up could have a knock on effect. Today’s ” rules” you should not travel to an exercise area.you should not meet up with someone else. That’s quite clear. What’s not clear is some forces are saying we are getting tough and some are saying it’s a bit OTT..
So why the mixed messages again.

On the radio this morning there loving the thought the police had to back down and apologise to these two women who were exercising yet the next story they are moaning coz Boris has gone for a bike ride which according to today’s gov rules is ok. Media still Not sending out mixed messages is it. And yet throughout all this there are those who are still hell bent on breaking the rules.
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You can meet up with someone else from outside your household

It was also in a public space that was open and they travelled seperate

You can also drive to an area for your exercise
 
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