Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Billysboots]

It’s irrelevant what people did pre-covid! Covid has changed the landscape.

I agree silh and his wife should do what is right for them, but what if there is a selfish person who knowingly attends while having covid, how can silh or anyone else protect themselves from that individual.

You can’t expect those at risk or vulnerable to carry all the responsibility indefinitely, ie it should stay mandated that if you are positive you should isolate for a period, regardless of No of jabs/boosters etc.

I’d of thought you would of been aware of covid causing serious issues and worse for those who aren’t deemed as vulnerable.

I had intended to bow out, but really, come on.

If someone is prepared to knowingly attend a function with Covid, they’re hardly the sort to self isolate whilst they are still obliged to, are they? And yet you want self isolation to continue? For how long? Until case rates are zero? Because all it takes is one infected person to pass Covid to a vulnerable individual.

So far today I’ve read that those who advocate the total relaxation of restrictions are “know it alls”, and that they are guided purely by self interest. Ironic, given that the protagonist on this occasion seems more obsessed with what is best for him, and has done throughout this thread, than anybody else here.

Having seen that Northern Ireland are stopping mandated restrictions, are we to assume that they are also governed by self-obsessed know it alls? Or maybe, perish the thought, they are making a balanced, reasoned judgement after consultation with the experts who have been guiding their decisions for the last two years.

There are over 65 million people in the U.K. A good proportion of those have been thumbing their noses at Covid guidance since March 2020, and you will never change them. If you are waiting for the day when everyone respects the safety and welfare of everyone else before returning to “normal”, well, good luck with that. My money is on Hell freezing over first.

There are still, thankfully, a considerable number of people who advocate a total easing of restrictions, myself included, who remain respectful enough of others to ensure that we wear face coverings where appropriate, and allow people space. Just because I support the easing of restrictions does not mean I am suddenly going to start coughing and sneezing over others, shaking hands of those who don’t want to, and so on.

Really, there are contributors here who seem to think people like me are the Devil incarnate, and who have lost any sense of perspective. Covid is here to stay, in some guise or other, and we have to adapt to live with it. Because, like it or not, live with it is what we are going to have to do sooner or later.

EDIT: And that really is me done on this subject, you’ll be pleased to hear ?

 

[SocketRocket]

What did you do before Covid? Flu and other infectious diseases still abounded which if transferred would be dangerous to a vulnerable person. The bottom line is life will move on whether you want it to or not and there is a time coming soon when all restrictions will be lifted. As an adult you'll simply have to use your own judgement. No-one can make the decision for you. If you think the risk is too high, don't attend the wedding or other events. If not go and accept there is a chance of consequences

With respect, you have told us how Covid has affected your mental health and put you in a bad place due to the pressures placed on your workplace. I can't remember you posting these views previously over influenza, if Flu has been abounding previously why has the NHS not been affected in the same way indefinitely. I'm 73 and I don't believe I have ever had Flu, I don't believe I've had Covid either but I know which one I would be most at risk of catching if I started visiting crowded places or be less careful with hygiene and close contact. Covid isn't the same as Flu, both may be dangerous for vulnerable people but my understanding is that Covid has the ability to create more long term medical issues for not only the vulnerable.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I had intended to bow out, but really, come on.

If someone is prepared to knowingly attend a function with Covid, they’re hardly the sort to self isolate whilst they are still obliged to, are they? And yet you want self isolation to continue? For how long? Until case rates are zero? Because all it takes is one infected person to pass Covid to a vulnerable individual.

So far today I’ve read that those who advocate the total relaxation of restrictions are “know it alls”, and that they are guided purely by self interest. Ironic, given that the protagonist on this occasion seems more obsessed with what is best for him, and has done throughout this thread, than anybody else here.

Having seen that Northern Ireland are stopping mandated restrictions, are we to assume that they are also governed by self-obsessed know it alls? Or maybe, perish the thought, they are making a balanced, reasoned judgement after consultation with the experts who have been guiding their decisions for the last two years.

There are over 65 million people in the U.K. A good proportion of those have been thumbing their noses at Covid guidance since March 2020, and you will never change them. If you are waiting for the day when everyone respects the safety and welfare of everyone else before returning to “normal”, well, good luck with that. My money is on Hell freezing over first.

There are still, thankfully, a considerable number of people who advocate a total easing of restrictions, myself included, who remain respectful enough of others to ensure that we wear face coverings where appropriate, and allow people space. Just because I support the easing of restrictions does not mean I am suddenly going to start coughing and sneezing over others, shaking hands of those who don’t want to, and so on.

Really, there are contributors here who seem to think people like me are the Devil incarnate, and who have lost any sense of perspective. Covid is here to stay, in some guise or other, and we have to adapt to live with it. Because, like it or not, live with it is what we are going to have to do sooner or later.

EDIT: And that really is me done on this subject, you’ll be pleased to hear ?

Wow! Talk about over react, you’ll be pleased to know I won’t be making the decision for the Country! Other opinions are allowed.

We can spend all night inventing scenarios about what type of person the “infected” one might, it might be exactly as you say or it could be a decent bloke, brow beaten by his wife because her best friends wedding etc.

Maybe we only have to wait until the science proves it, but hey, whatever the decision is I just hope nobody on here loses a member of their family, who isn’t vulnerable, because it’s a political decision.

 

[Hobbit]

I fully agree with us returning to some sort, if not full normality, but if the plan is to allow those testing positive to go about their daily business with no restrictions, then it puts everybody at risk, not just the vulnerable.

People not knowing they are positive is a different matter, but, imo, I’d like to see some sort of mandated isolation for anyone testing positive.

I’m not confident the proposed lifting of all restrictions is being led by the science.

Here, test positive and it’s mandated that you self-isolate - note, mandated by law. Police visit every day. Only heard of two ignoring self-isolation = huge fine.

 

[SocketRocket]

I had intended to bow out, but really, come on.

If someone is prepared to knowingly attend a function with Covid, they’re hardly the sort to self isolate whilst they are still obliged to, are they? And yet you want self isolation to continue? For how long? Until case rates are zero? Because all it takes is one infected person to pass Covid to a vulnerable individual.

So far today I’ve read that those who advocate the total relaxation of restrictions are “know it alls”, and that they are guided purely by self interest. Ironic, given that the protagonist on this occasion seems more obsessed with what is best for him, and has done throughout this thread, than anybody else here.

Having seen that Northern Ireland are stopping mandated restrictions, are we to assume that they are also governed by self-obsessed know it alls? Or maybe, perish the thought, they are making a balanced, reasoned judgement after consultation with the experts who have been guiding their decisions for the last two years.

There are over 65 million people in the U.K. A good proportion of those have been thumbing their noses at Covid guidance since March 2020, and you will never change them. If you are waiting for the day when everyone respects the safety and welfare of everyone else before returning to “normal”, well, good luck with that. My money is on Hell freezing over first.

There are still, thankfully, a considerable number of people who advocate a total easing of restrictions, myself included, who remain respectful enough of others to ensure that we wear face coverings where appropriate, and allow people space. Just because I support the easing of restrictions does not mean I am suddenly going to start coughing and sneezing over others, shaking hands of those who don’t want to, and so on.

Really, there are contributors here who seem to think people like me are the Devil incarnate, and who have lost any sense of perspective. Covid is here to stay, in some guise or other, and we have to adapt to live with it. Because, like it or not, live with it is what we are going to have to do sooner or later.

EDIT: And that really is me done on this subject, you’ll be pleased to hear ?

So much of that is exaggeration and just not what is being said by those you suggest want restrictions until there is zero Covid. I won't reply in detail as you have decided you are done on the subject ?

 

[Foxholer]

…and can one of these ‘move on’ know-it-alls tell me and my Mrs how we can assess the risk of us picking up the virus when in an enclosed space and risk passing it on to one who is highly vulnerable. If I know the prevalence of infection in a locality then I can at least make some form of an informed risk assessment - otherwise…what…? How the heck to I ‘avoid overcrowded indoor places’…when we are ‘moving on…’.

Me and my Mrs have been invited to a wedding reception on Friday and my Mrs is not at all sure that we should go given the risk of her picking up the virus…and then a few days later passing it on to her brother…that’s the reality of where we are and its only going to get harder given the strategy now being adopted.

Unfortunately much of what I am hearing and reading comes across as nothing to do with society and everything to do with self.

Why not apply the same reasoning that would have applied, as rules, a couple of weeks ago - before the 'back to normal' approach was announced. Far better to be conservative when there are risks of acquiring and passing Covid to particularly vulnerable folk imo.

 

[Swango1980]

To clarify, the expert opinion in here is that we should generally continue with restrictions, and provide enough information so individuals can conduct their own risk assessments before going to specific locations?

If that is what we have decided, we should forward this thread onto the decision makers. They'll save a lot of money not having to employ their teams of medical experts, which could be put to good use elsewhere.

I do enjoy Golf Monthly forums. I feel like together we can solve the difficulties of a pandemic, decide where the root problems are for Man Utd, clarify the status of a provisional ball and share our latest success in Wordle all in one evening. That is progress

 

[Ethan]

To clarify, the expert opinion in here is that we should generally continue with restrictions, and provide enough information so individuals can conduct their own risk assessments before going to specific locations?

If that is what we have decided, we should forward this thread onto the decision makers. They'll save a lot of money not having to employ their teams of medical experts, which could be put to good use elsewhere.

I do enjoy Golf Monthly forums. I feel like together we can solve the difficulties of a pandemic, decide where the root problems are for Man Utd, clarify the status of a provisional ball and share our latest success in Wordle all in one evening. That is progress

The decision makers are not listening to their own medical experts. The current policy is dictated by partisan interests.

As for living with it, it’s just a cold, the cold doesn’t do this. And that is just cardiovascular. Effects in other organs too.

 

[SammmeBee]

My Mrs tells me that there is a move to stop publishing the data…or is it that they will stop publicising it. We need to know the prevalence of infection in any specific area to be able to assess the risk of picking it up when out and about in town or any enclosed and busy environment.

Just don’t go out……simples!

 

[Billysboots]

So much of that is exaggeration and just not what is being said by those you suggest want restrictions until there is zero Covid. I won't reply in detail as you have decided you are done on the subject ?

Where did I suggest people wanted restrictions until there is zero Covid? Where? Nowhere, that’s where.

Don’t bother replying in detail if you can’t get the basics right. You’ll be wasting your time, mine, and everyone else’s.

 

[SocketRocket]

Where did I suggest people wanted restrictions until there is zero Covid? Where? Nowhere, that’s where.

Don’t bother replying in detail if you can’t get the basics right. You’ll be wasting your time, mine, and everyone else’s.

Try reading your post!
You said:

"And yet you want self isolation to continue? For how long? Until case rates are zero"

Maybe you could explain how your denial has the basics right?

 

[SaintHacker]

I had intended to bow out, but really, come on.

If someone is prepared to knowingly attend a function with Covid, they’re hardly the sort to self isolate whilst they are still obliged to, are they? And yet you want self isolation to continue? For how long? Until case rates are zero? Because all it takes is one infected person to pass Covid to a vulnerable individual.

So far today I’ve read that those who advocate the total relaxation of restrictions are “know it alls”, and that they are guided purely by self interest. Ironic, given that the protagonist on this occasion seems more obsessed with what is best for him, and has done throughout this thread, than anybody else here.

Having seen that Northern Ireland are stopping mandated restrictions, are we to assume that they are also governed by self-obsessed know it alls? Or maybe, perish the thought, they are making a balanced, reasoned judgement after consultation with the experts who have been guiding their decisions for the last two years.

There are over 65 million people in the U.K. A good proportion of those have been thumbing their noses at Covid guidance since March 2020, and you will never change them. If you are waiting for the day when everyone respects the safety and welfare of everyone else before returning to “normal”, well, good luck with that. My money is on Hell freezing over first.

There are still, thankfully, a considerable number of people who advocate a total easing of restrictions, myself included, who remain respectful enough of others to ensure that we wear face coverings where appropriate, and allow people space. Just because I support the easing of restrictions does not mean I am suddenly going to start coughing and sneezing over others, shaking hands of those who don’t want to, and so on.

Really, there are contributors here who seem to think people like me are the Devil incarnate, and who have lost any sense of perspective. Covid is here to stay, in some guise or other, and we have to adapt to live with it. Because, like it or not, live with it is what we are going to have to do sooner or later.

EDIT: And that really is me done on this subject, you’ll be pleased to hear ?

Possibly the top post of the whole thread ??

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Where did I suggest people wanted restrictions until there is zero Covid? Where? Nowhere, that’s where.

Don’t bother replying in detail if you can’t get the basics right. You’ll be wasting your time, mine, and everyone else’s.

You've got the breaking strain of a kit kat

Isn't it a bit of a double standard to tell SR not to reply when you when off on a rant in reply to my post about things I'd never said or suggested?

I agree we are close to returning to normal and I'd like that announcement on the back of medical advice, the one small, imo, concession I'd like to see is people who are positive isolating for a further few months afterwards incase of another mutation and it gets out of control before we are all get put back in to restrictions.

As you quoted we have 65 million people in the Country, is it really too much to ask those tiny amount testing positive to stay isolated for the benefit of the majority to carry on as normal?

Not sure you'll answer this as are unsure if you're out or out out.

 

[Billysboots]

Try reading your post!
You said:

"And yet you want self isolation to continue? For how long? Until case rates are zero"

Maybe you could explain how your denial has the basics right?

Now you’re just making me angry. Go back to that post, read it again, and take note of the question mark after the word “zero”. I was asking a question, not making a statement.

Nice try.

 

[Billysboots]

You've got the breaking strain of a kit kat

Isn't it a bit of a double standard to tell SR not to reply when you when off on a rant in reply to my post about things I'd never said or suggested?

I agree we are close to returning to normal and I'd like that announcement on the back of medical advice, the one small, imo, concession I'd like to see is people who are positive isolating for a further few months afterwards incase of another mutation and it gets out of control before we are all get put back in to restrictions.

As you quoted we have 65 million people in the Country, is it really too much to ask those tiny amount testing positive to stay isolated for the benefit of the majority to carry on as normal?

Not sure you'll answer this as are unsure if you're out or out out.

I’ll remain “out” unless others deliberately misquote me to try and prove a point.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I’ll remain “out” unless others deliberately misquote me to try and prove a point.

I'm quite positive I've never misquoted you, but certainly reserve the right to reply to you after the way you replied to me!

 

[Billysboots]

I'm quite positive I've never misquoted you, but certainly reserve the right to reply to you after the way you replied to me!

Didn’t say you did ?

 

[theoneandonly]

Try reading your post!
You said:

"And yet you want self isolation to continue? For how long? Until case rates are zero"

Maybe you could explain how your denial has the basics right?

I really don't give a *** about this thread and how it's become somewhere you can argue now that the Brexit and tory threads are closed, but ffs even I can see you've deliberately lopped off the question mark from his quote.
At least be honest.

 

[Hobbit]

Try reading your post!
You said:

"And yet you want self isolation to continue? For how long? Until case rates are zero"

Maybe you could explain how your denial has the basics right?

You’re either being clumsy or rather naughty, leaving the question mark off “zero.” Not your best moment.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Here, test positive and it’s mandated that you self-isolate - note, mandated by law. Police visit every day. Only heard of two ignoring self-isolation = huge fine.

What are the Spanish Government saying about future restrictions Bri?