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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Billysboots said:
You might be the expert.
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It also doesn’t mean he is right. Ethan has the luxury of having more knowledge on this particular subject however there are differing views of other medical people who would completely disagree with him. Time will tell who is right but I think there should be more than ‘correct’ opinion on this thread.
 
Billysboots said:
Give it a rest, please. Your negativity, arrogance and dismissiveness of anyone who ever sees a ray of light amongst all the gloom is beyond boring.

You might be the expert. That doesn’t mean the rest of us are denied an opinion. If we were, this thread would barely have made it beyond the first page.

You are absolutely insufferable.
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Who denied you the right to repeatedly and at length express your opinion, the same one over and over again. Not me, so please go and do a large one. I couldn't give a toss whether you like my opinion or not, but some of the stuff you are saying is demonstrably bollox.

Your childish faux-offended answer is also evidence that you know you are talking crap, because I refuted your previous lie and you have completely glossed over it. Tell me where I am wrong, and show me why what you said is true.
 
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road2ruin said:
It also doesn’t mean he is right. Ethan has the luxury of having more knowledge on this particular subject however there are differing views of other medical people who would completely disagree with him. Time will tell who is right but I think there should be more than ‘correct’ opinion on this thread.
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There are differing medical views, but I am firmly within the broad consensus. Happy to comment on any specific examples you may wish to cite.
 
road2ruin said:
It also doesn’t mean he is right. Ethan has the luxury of having more knowledge on this particular subject however there are differing views of other medical people who would completely disagree with him. Time will tell who is right but I think there should be more than ‘correct’ opinion on this thread.
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I’ve said it to him directly before, it’s not what is said, but the way it is said.

I am perfectly entitled to feel positive about the last day or so, and express it here, without being accused of hysteria, talking nonsense and a lack of objectivity.

And I’ve also said more than once that I have no intention of immersing myself in medical journals, spreadsheets packed full of data and so on before I am allowed to express a view.

This is a golf forum, for pity’s sake. It’s not an appendix to the British Medical Journal. 99% are lay people when it comes to Covid. It doesn’t mean we should be chastised like pre-school toddlers if we have the temerity to get it wrong.
 
Ethan said:
Who denied you the right to repeatedly and at length express your opinion, the same one over and over again. Not me, so please go and do a large one. I couldn't give a toss whether you like my opinion or not, but some of the stuff you are saying is demonstrably bollox.

Your childish faux-offended answer is also evidence that you know you are talking crap, because I refuted your previous lie and you have completely glossed over it. Tell me where I am wrong, and show me why what you said is true.
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As I said, insufferable. Go and snap a 7-iron over your knee.
 
Ethan said:
There are differing medical views, but I am firmly within the broad consensus. Happy to comment on any specific examples you may wish to cite.
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I cannot cite specific examples, I am not a medical professional and have not claimed to be so. You have a medical background so have the advantage over everyone on this forum however it doesn’t make you correct, it just means you sound more convincing than the rest of us.
 
Billysboots said:
I’ve said it to him directly before, it’s not what is said, but the way it is said.

I am perfectly entitled to feel positive about the last day or so, and express it here, without being accused of hysteria, talking nonsense and a lack of objectivity.

And I’ve also said more than once that I have no intention of immersing myself in medical journals, spreadsheets packed full of data and so on before I am allowed to express a view.

This is a golf forum, for pity’s sake. It’s not an appendix to the British Medical Journal. 99% are lay people when it comes to Covid. It doesn’t mean we should be chastised like pre-school toddlers if we have the temerity to get it wrong.
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You are perfectly entitled to feel positive, enthusiastic or euphoric, but that breezy positivity is not a good place from which to plan public health responses to a pandemic. It is impossible to accurately and finely titrate the policy response because there are so many unknowns, and it is much harder to recover slippage than to prevent it in the first place. For that reason, public policy should be cautious and consistent and not zig-zagging or unclear.

Other people post more graphs and spreadsheets than I do. I am sure you will rebuke them too.

If you don't want to see my lectures or symposia, feel free to block me.
 
Can we not agree it's best to be careful still but theres definitely a lot of light at the end of the tunnel. Everyone wants the same things;

Protect the NHS
Avoid people dying
Avoid the NHS being clogged up and delays for other serious issues
Avoid lockdowns
Protect various sectors of the economy
Get back to 'normality'

The trouble is everyone has different ways of achieving it short and medium term :unsure:
 
road2ruin said:
I cannot cite specific examples, I am not a medical professional and have not claimed to be so. You have a medical background so have the advantage over everyone on this forum however it doesn’t make you correct, it just means you sound more convincing than the rest of us.
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Well you said: Ethan has the luxury of having more knowledge on this particular subject however there are differing views of other medical people who would completely disagree with him.

I assume you were referring to actual real differing views you had read or seen, not just plucking it out of the air. I stand corrected.
 
Ethan said:
You are perfectly entitled to feel positive, enthusiastic or euphoric, but that breezy positivity is not a good place from which to plan public health responses to a pandemic.
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For heaven’s sake, man, where did I say it was? I merely said that I feel encouraged by the fact we haven’t had more restrictions placed upon us, and that I hoped it was a positive sign. Is that so unforgivable?

And as regards your final paragraph, I hope your tongue was firmly in cheek when you used the word “lectures”. If not, in addition to snapping the 7-iron over your knee as a way of venting your frustration at the incompetence of the rest of the forum in private, you might want to have a quiet word with yourself.

I’ll say yet again, I find much of what you say informative, insightful and helpful. For that reason I have no intention of blocking you. I’m not that juvenile. But I’m sure I’m not alone when I say I object to being lectured. Please try and take the criticism, because that is precisely what it is, on board. You might find if you do that your interactions with everyone here, not just those you agree with, become more enjoyable for everyone.
 
It would seem from some of the language being used recently that tolerance is something not tolerated here at the moment.

An early night children is needed as too many sugary christmas sweets have got you wound up
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Your ‘doom and gloom’ is the scientists ‘reasonable worse case scenario’ - scientists tend to focus on ‘fact’ rather than ‘feelings’’…with RWCS being what much of health policy has always been based upon. It appears to me that the policy in respect of NYE is tending more towards ’feelings’ rather than ‘fact’. So be that gamble.
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Scenario’s are not based on fact
 
Billysboots said:
So I’m not allowed to be encouraged by the fact I’m still allowed to shop and drink in a pub?

If you preferred that I just lock myself away and cry into my pillow at the numbers, you’ll have a long wait, I’m afraid!
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There are some obsessed with stats, only the stats that suit them.
 
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