Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

larmen

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Anyone with half a brain cell mate will understand that masks will help with stopping u spreading a disease through your mouth I don’t need science to tell me that
Don’t forget about the nose. I rather have people not wearing a mask than feeling smug and doing it wrongly.
 

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Just had an email from Bluegreen, a firm that owns and runs a lot of golf courses in France. It says that further to the recent French Government decree, in order to access their courses you will either have to show a vaccination passport (QR code), a negative test or a recent positive test recovery.
Macron’s firm line in trying to get everyone vaccinated seems to be permeating many aspects of life.
 

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I enrolled in a study for medical detection dogs and basically sent them some stinky covid clothing and a mask they provided. The study results have been published and it looks amazingly effective (to my untrained eye).

We are delighted to announce that the results from our COVID-19 detection dog study have been released, and we are incredibly pleased with the results. As a volunteer, we wanted to take this opportunity to say a massive thank you for donating your odour samples to the study, and for helping us to promote the work. We had more than 3,500 participants from the public, and we could not have done this without every single one of you! Thank you! Here are some of the key highlights from the study:
•Chemical analysis showed that COVID-19 does indeed have a distinct odour.
•Six Bio Detection dogs were trained by Medical Detection Dogs to detect it with exceptional speed and accuracy of up to 94%, even if a person is asymptomatic!
•Impressively, the accuracy of the dogs remained consistent not only with samples collected from people with high amounts of virus, but also low amounts of virus (e.g. people who might not have any symptoms or at the early stage of infection), which a lateral flow test cannot do.
•Mathematical modelling revealed that a strategy of dog screening plus a PCR test at airports could prevent more onward transmission than isolating symptomatic people only, or testing people with a lateral flow test plus a PCR test.

Our incredible results -
Dogs can correctly identify up to 94% of people who have the virus (sensitivity).
Dogs can correctly identify up to 92% of people who do not have the virus (specificity)
We’re hugely excited by the potential of dogs as a low-cost, rapid, non-invasive screen for COVID-19 – they are the quickest diagnostic that currently exists! In fact, a plane load of passengers can be screened by a dog without any extra time added to their journey. That’s 300 people in under 30 minutes, by two dogs.
Now we have proven dogs can do this, our next step is to get the dogs into practice by running operational trials to test the dogs on screening infected people in real-world settings. We will also perform further modelling studies to inform the use of dogs at other venues including stadia, sporting events, music events and work places. You can read the pre-print paper for the study at https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/media/49791 (please note, it is not yet peer-reviewed).

Flipping heck dogs are clever :)
 

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First day in the office, I don’t like commuting.

Way in was fine, empty train at 6:50, empty tube later on as well. There might have been a couple of not masked up people on it, but everyone had space.

Way back was different. Fairly full tube, family come on all no mask, mum having a badge showing she is except, back of badge says please be considerate and hold distance. She plonked herself right next to an elderly woman and starts sneezing. Doesn’t the distance thing work both ways?
Train then reasonably full, everyone sitting but distanced. Masks were off a lot, but it was hot.

Next office visit in a week, hopefully I got my CBT at that point.
 

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My insider on the nightclub double-vax certification front advises that clubs will just get on with it, whether it’s the right thing to do or not maybe in the short term OK - longer term who knows. But one thing is certain…the clubs will need to hire additional door security to deal with the hassle and trouble that WILL break out when, for instance, one of a group is refused entry. What often tends to happen is that the whole group kicks off and things are usually exacerbated by alcohol.

However the clubs and those who work in them have felt, and have actually been, so neglected during the pandemic that they will open and deal with it, but they won’t be requiring masks to be worn, they need everyone through the door that they can get to try and clear their debts and cover the additional costs.

Make money? Well maybe…but that isn’t going to be their primary objective…they just want to be able to stand up again and wash their face on income and costs.
Ok, I reckon you are right.
But ,tell me, yes or no, (as the lawyers say😊)
If the law on masks had stayed the same, and the nightclubs, cinemas and theatres opened, as they have,
would your scenario above been any different- in reality?

I think not.
 
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Pandemic…Pingdemic…Pleeeaze…

It’s not the app and what it tells us that’s the problem - the app has been with us since the middle of last year with no great problem. It’s the daily number of infections and the rise in that number that we are experiencing that’s the problem.

So let’s not be scapegoating the app. Let’s focus on the root cause and what we as individuals must do to minimise the rate of increase.
 
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Ok, I reckon you are right.
But ,tell me, yes or no, (as the lawyers say😊)
If the law on masks had stayed the same, and the nightclubs, cinemas and theatres opened, as they have,
would your scenario above been any different- in reality?

I think not.
My insider with his ear to the ground tells that many under 30s consider the double-vax requirement too government proscriptive and are pushing back - indeed many will bite off their nose to spite their face and not go into clubs or other venues. And the same would have been the case with masks. There would not have been a hope in hell of mandating mask-wearing in clubs and enforcing it.

As the government hasn’t mandated mask wearing indoors, club-goers will not wear a mask, and as no limit on numbers as been defined, the clubs will open and cram in as many as they can - because they are frankly not convinced they are going to be open for very long.
 
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My insider with his ear to the ground tells that many under 30s consider the double-vax requirement too government proscriptive and are pushing back - indeed many will bite off their nose to spite their face and not go into clubs or other venues. And the same would have been the case with masks. There would not have been a hope in hell of mandating mask-wearing in clubs and enforcing it.

As the government hasn’t mandated mask wearing indoors, club-goers will not wear a mask, and as no limit on numbers as been defined, the clubs will open and cram in as many as they can - because they are frankly not convinced they are going to be open for very long.
On that basis you're going to "let the prisoners design the prison".
 

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My insider with his ear to the ground tells that many under 30s consider the double-vax requirement too government proscriptive and are pushing back - indeed many will bite off their nose to spite their face and not go into clubs or other venues. And the same would have been the case with masks. There would not have been a hope in hell of mandating mask-wearing in clubs and enforcing it.

As the government hasn’t mandated mask wearing indoors, club-goers will not wear a mask, and as no limit on numbers as been defined, the clubs will open and cram in as many as they can - because they are frankly not convinced they are going to be open for very long.
isn't that a self fulfilling prophecy though, we are worried about being closed due to the spread of covid and so we will cram as many in as we can in a short time, thus exacerbating the spread of covid and causing the event that had them so worried.
 

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My insider with his ear to the ground tells that many under 30s consider the double-vax requirement too government proscriptive and are pushing back - indeed many will bite off their nose to spite their face and not go into clubs or other venues. And the same would have been the case with masks. There would not have been a hope in hell of mandating mask-wearing in clubs and enforcing it.

As the government hasn’t mandated mask wearing indoors, club-goers will not wear a mask, and as no limit on numbers as been defined, the clubs will open and cram in as many as they can - because they are frankly not convinced they are going to be open for very long.
I know this might sound a little simplistic but nightclubs do have rules on what you wear to gain entry. Even your behaviour in the queue can have a bearing on getting in. I find your comment about clubs not being able to enforce rules rather puerile. Why do you believe they can’t enforce a rule they make?

As for your govt hasn’t mandated Comment… Everyone has been given guidance. If they’re stupid enough, or not adult enough, to follow it….
 

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I know this might sound a little simplistic but nightclubs do have rules on what you wear to gain entry. Even your behaviour in the queue can have a bearing on getting in. I find your comment about clubs not being able to enforce rules rather puerile. Why do you believe they can’t enforce a rule they make?

As for your govt hasn’t mandated Comment… Everyone has been given guidance. If they’re stupid enough, or not adult enough, to follow it….
A fair point, out of all industries, nightclubs must be the one most experienced in the removal of people for not complying with rules or refusing admission.
 
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My insider with his ear to the ground tells that many under 30s consider the double-vax requirement too government proscriptive and are pushing back - indeed many will bite off their nose to spite their face and not go into clubs or other venues. And the same would have been the case with masks. There would not have been a hope in hell of mandating mask-wearing in clubs and enforcing it.

As the government hasn’t mandated mask wearing indoors, club-goers will not wear a mask, and as no limit on numbers as been defined, the clubs will open and cram in as many as they can - because they are frankly not convinced they are going to be open for very long.
Club goers won’t wear masks because masks in a nightclub makes the club cease to be a nightclub and makes it an unattractive place to go for overpriced drink.
Might as well just go to a bar or spoons.
Certain clubs will play music with an increased BPM that attracts clientele that want to dance all night and with that requires a few stimulants. Certainly cannot wear a mask jumping about and chewing your face off.

They won’t be open long no. The irreversible was always reversible.
 
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We have had infectious illnesses for decades and most parents taught their children basic hygiene znd how reduce the chances of passing it on.

OK so COVID 19 is a particularly nasty disease which needs rather more care but why do people suddenly loose all sense of prudent behaviour and expect to be told what's right by laws.

Nightclubs are not the be all and end all of socialising and a minute part of the economy beyond a few cities.
 
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