Comp mode on golf trolley

[Ian_Bristol]

I have just brought a new Motocaddy S3 Pro and on the readout it says comp mode so as to disable the yardage function and I wonder why is this, my Bushnell has the same function and you can use it in comps
Any idea why it is not allowed if it is a function on a trolley.

 

[ManinBlack]

Because many clubs, like mine up until a while ago, have the right to ban distance measuring devices for competitions.

 

[rulefan]

I have just brought a new Motocaddy S3 Pro and on the readout it says comp mode so as to disable the yardage function and I wonder why is this, my Bushnell has the same function and you can use it in comps
Any idea why it is not allowed if it is a function on a trolley.

You are only permitted to use any Distance Measuring Device (which includes your Bushnell) if there is a Local Rule in force that permits their use.

As the DMD is built into the S3 trolley and cannot be removed, Motocaddy had to provide a method of preventing its use in competition mode if the LR was not in force.

 

[CMAC]

I have just brought a new Motocaddy S3 Pro and on the readout it says comp mode so as to disable the yardage function and I wonder why is this, my Bushnell has the same function and you can use it in comps
Any idea why it is not allowed if it is a function on a trolley.

you could be in the qualifying for the Open:mmm:

 

[SVB]

So without opening a whole DMD can of worms, how is this different to all the smart phone thing with apps loaded that could make it non-complying etc. Unless 'comp mode' has a official seal applied by the cttee and checked after the round F1 style I don't see the point. Surly it is relying on ones integrity that has already proved not to be good enough by the powers that be re smart phones and lasers with slope capability etc?

(Note - general point, not questioning integrity of OP in any way!)

 

[palindromicbob]

So without opening a whole DMD can of worms, how is this different to all the smart phone thing with apps loaded that could make it non-complying etc. Unless 'comp mode' has a official seal applied by the cttee and checked after the round F1 style I don't see the point. Surly it is relying on ones integrity that has already proved not to be good enough by the powers that be re smart phones and lasers with slope capability etc?

(Note - general point, not questioning integrity of OP in any way!)

As a DMD this feature has limited usefulness anyway. The trolley measures distance only which makes them a compliant DMD which can be used when the local rule is in place.

Slope abilities, wind etc that apps on a phone or a slope laser etc are non-compliant DMD's regardless of local rule.

The guidance on the rules basically highlight that the ability to turn off a non complaint feature doesn't render the device complaint. Makes no mention about turning off a compliant feature. This is why they simply blanket ban all non-compliant devices. It's no so much a trust issue but stems more from the reluctance to allow any DMD in the first place. This is why the DMD are only allowed with a local rule in place (rather than being a standard with local rules being used to stop their use).

To use a trolley with DMD turned off during a comp that doesn't have the local rule in place is no different to someone carrying their sky caddie in the bag during the same comp. Trust is placed in them that they won't use it. If they abuse this trust they risk DQ. The integrity issue applies for the entire rule book.

When was the last time a starter checked the clubs in your bag to make sure they comply?

 

[rulefan]

So without opening a whole DMD can of worms, how is this different to all the smart phone thing with apps loaded that could make it non-complying etc. Unless 'comp mode' has a official seal applied by the cttee and checked after the round F1 style I don't see the point. Surly it is relying on ones integrity that has already proved not to be good enough by the powers that be re smart phones and lasers with slope capability etc?

(Note - general point, not questioning integrity of OP in any way!)

The R&A/USGA made specific ruling about the S3 Pro, recognising it couldn't just be left in your bag or locker. It is very easy for a referee to see what mode it is in. However, it is not so easy for a referee (or another player) to know when a player is using an illegal app on a smartphone.

 

[CMAC]

The R&A/USGA made specific ruling about the S3 Pro, recognising it couldn't just be left in your bag or locker. It is very easy for a referee to see what mode it is in. However, it is not so easy for a referee (or another player) to know when a player is using an illegal app on a smartphone.

this doesn't make sense?

 

[rulefan]

this doesn't make sense?

The DMD is built in to the trolley. It cannot be removed. If the player cannot use the DMD because there is no local rule in force, then he can't use his trolley. He can't put it in his pocket and he can't use it to carry his clubs if it is in his locker.
The RBs made the ruling that proved the DMD was locked in non competition mode the trolley may be used on the course.

Earlier versions had to be taped over as they had no mode function.

 

[SVB]

Does seem like tail wagging the dog to be but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it - academic interest only really!

 

[pbrown7582]

does seem like tail wagging the dog to be but i'm not going to lose any sleep over it - academic interest only really!

as if .....

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Simple answer is to buy a trolley that R&A rules legal from the outset. Same applies for any technology we use on the course.

 

[palindromicbob]

Can't understand the point of the feature to be honest. Great if the course is flat. Useless otherwise

 

[North Mimms]

Can't understand the point of the feature to be honest. Great if the course is flat. Useless otherwise

My motocaddy has the same feature.
It only measures how far the wheels have been turned by the motor, so if you have assisted the trolley or freewheeled it at all, the measurement is useless. I've never used the feature for distance measurement

 

[MashieNiblick]

Can't understand the point of the feature to be honest. Great if the course is flat. Useless otherwise

My motocaddy has the same feature.
It only measures how far the wheels have been turned by the motor, so if you have assisted the trolley or freewheeled it at all, the measurement is useless. I've never used the feature for distance measurement

I have this function on my S3 lite which is a push trolley and I do find it useful to measure distances from 150 yard markers, just have to remember to reset it as I walk past the marker post. On the S3 lite it works just on the revolution of the wheels. Saves having to pace and count and as I have short legs I think I get a more accurate yardage.

 

[rulefan]

Is everyone talking about the same feature?

The S3 Digital can also measure distance readings such as the golfers drive or distance past yardage markers. Along with having that information the control panel also has a temperature gauge. These settings will certainly come in handy for the golfer as it will give them a good judgement of how far they will be hitting the ball consistently. The only downside about these settings is that they are not R & A conforming; however these settings can be temporarily disabled for competitions and the settings changed to competition mode.

 

[MashieNiblick]

On the S3 lite it is just distance, which can be switched off in "competition" mode. It has a clock and round timer but no temp gauge.

 

[palindromicbob]

Is everyone talking about the same feature?

The S3 Digital can also measure distance readings such as the golfers drive or distance past yardage markers. Along with having that information the control panel also has a temperature gauge. These settings will certainly come in handy for the golfer as it will give them a good judgement of how far they will be hitting the ball consistently. The only downside about these settings is that they are not R & A conforming; however these settings can be temporarily disabled for competitions and the settings changed to competition mode.

Would worry if it had the ability to measure temperature because this would render it in breech of 14-3 as outlined in Appendix IV/5. In other words requiring it to be set to Comp mode for all competitions regardless of the a local rule allowing DMD's.

 

[delc]

I remember that a number of competitors were DQ'd in the British Amateur Championship a few years ago because they were using electric trolleys with distance measuring. If there is not a Local Rule or Condition of Competition permitting the use of Distance Measuring Devices, then you can't use them unless the distance measuring is disabled. If they measure air temperature as well, that is also a breach of Rule 14-3b.

 

[Ian_Bristol]

Lol I didn't know it had a temp on it will have to look through the booklet