Cake and Eat It

The birth rate among immigrants is higher.

The birth rate among the lower social economic groups is higher.

They may or may not be mutually exclusive !
 
SocketRocket said:
Can you have massive population growth without massive pressures on public services like the NHS and Education. Why do we only hear of the aging population being the problem with the NHS with no mention of population growth fueled by mass immigration. Wait a minute, that would be racist to blame immigration and the effect it has on the birth rate, better to blame it all on our old people.
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Because the main source of pressure on the NHS is the aging population - and moving elderly patients out of hospital into care. Increased numbers of individuals seeking medical intervention in the NHS will also clearly be a source of pressure. But given most immigrants are younger they are in that general UK demographic that i less likely to need the services of the NHS - and most certainly part of that demographic that does not need longer term and costly intervention and care.

Further if the biggest issue with the younger demographic in the UK is obesity - I suggest that obesity is less of an issue for the immigrant community.

And most medical practitioners will I think say just that. You can choose to claim that they would say that wouldn't they... But if that is your position then not a lot anyone can say.
 
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patricks148 said:
I imagine many parts of the country have found themselves under pressure overnight when it comes to Schools and Doctors surgery's.

local to me there is a Doctors that services a smallish part of Inverness. There is a housing estate close by, most of the houses have been sold in the RTB scheme. this includes a couple of 3 story blocks of flats, which on the whole were inhabited by single people and the odd old couple. almost overnight the there were lots of Eastern European families moving in ( all working) and the demand for the Doc and local schools trebled. there are two Teachers who live at the end of my road. both told me the classes on the whole were quite small, now all fit to bursting. Same with the docs. you could get an appointment same or next day, now its 3 weeks before one is available.

Scotland needs immigration as it has a declining population, esp young people. One the whole Local and national Gov were caught out by the 2nd lot of Eastern European countries that joined the EU and and many coming to work here has had a knock on effect to a certain extent
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If the flats were built to be able to house families - the fact that families now live in them and local GPs and schools may be struggling to accommodate the families - suggests inadequacies in the infrastructure provided for the housing. But that can be sorted through public spending - and as the families are as you say - all working families - then more money will be coming in through income tax and council tax. Provisioning additional infrastructure shouldn't really be a problem...

But nobody should be worrying - because once we have got back control of our immigration ...blah blah blah

Actually - I suspect that the numbers aren't going to drop that much because we'll need the immigration - though as we'll be able to control it - we'll be able to plan for the infrastructure required and build it where it is needed.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
If the flats were built to be able to house families - the fact that families now live in them and local GPs and schools may be struggling to accommodate the families - suggests inadequacies in the infrastructure provided for the housing. But that can be sorted through public spending - and as the families are as you say - all working families - then more money will be coming in through income tax and council tax. Provisioning additional infrastructure shouldn't really be a problem...

But nobody should be worrying - because once we have got back control of our immigration ...blah blah blah

Actually - I suspect that the numbers aren't going to drop that much because we'll need the immigration - though as we'll be able to control it - we'll be able to plan for the infrastructure required and build it where it is needed.
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How can it be sorted by public spending when there are massive cuts to public spending.

Highland council are up Sheer hite creek as the budget is cut by central gov and they don't have funds to keep the status quo let alone increase spending on Heath and education.

Moray Council are on the verge of going Bankrupt
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Good point. We need to stop fighting against obesity and bring back sexy branding to smoking, along with reducing the tax on fags. Let natural selection run its course :D
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............... and legalise assisted suicide. It may not make much difference but every little helps.
 
Hobbit said:
You forgot to mention how easy it would be to get a decent tee time...
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Sorry, you're right.

That's six 'wins'

And easier to get a lesson

House prices would drop

Less competition for jobs/promotion

Kids could play on the streets again

HS2 cancelled

Smaller classrooms

Etc
 
bobmac said:
Sorry, you're right.

That's six 'wins'

And easier to get a lesson

House prices would drop

Less competition for jobs/promotion

Kids could play on the streets again

HS2 cancelled

Smaller classrooms

Etc
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Capitalism fails.

The economy fails.

Mass job losses.

Poverty through the roof.

Civil riots.

Etc etc etc......... 😉
 
Always an elephant in the room with this matter.


We are getting masses of low skill, low educated people, who tend to have families who will be low skilled and low educated, none will pay tax due to low earnings.


But they will still expect to have world class healthcare, world class education, benefits including money for each child, have policing, firefighters, legal system etc all looking after them free of charge.



And who is expecting to pay, the big companies, the top 1% of income, the middle class, why would they bother investing in the UK or staying here.

Just the next generation that ends up paying...hopefully I will have left this mess by then...but who knows if the grass is greener elsewhere.
 
Just sell the NHS off already.
Make it regulated private healthcare.

Two child policy.

Build more schools and doctors.

Vetted borders.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
If the flats were built to be able to house families - the fact that families now live in them and local GPs and schools may be struggling to accommodate the families - suggests inadequacies in the infrastructure provided for the housing. But that can be sorted through public spending - and as the families are as you say - all working families - then more money will be coming in through income tax and council tax. Provisioning additional infrastructure shouldn't really be a problem...
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This is the argument that always pops up in my local ward. Where do these 400 families go to the doctor, how fit they onto already full buses?

I think if you create the demand the supply will follow. Someone will want to earn money of them. Of course they don't increase the bus frequency while they building the block for 3 years but now, 2 years after completion the buses are still just as full, the surgery has 3 new GPs, ... .

They building another block close buy, and the same people are coming back with the same complaints.
 
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