Bullying at School ...

[Ssshank]

What powers do the police have?

I'm fairly certain that at their age they'll be treated as victims as they are considered incapable of breaking the law.

 

[Blue in Munich]

What powers do the police have?

I'm fairly certain that at their age they'll be treated as victims as they are considered incapable of breaking the law.

The age of criminal responsibility is 10, so they are definitely responsible for their actions.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Sorry I can't agree with that. I went to a school full of hard-core racist people. It was Durring the days when the NF was popular. Despite me sitting next to them, playing football and even socialising with them I still knew right from wrong. That comes from parents

Just because a parent "made every effort". That doesn't mean their effort was right or enough

That is so wrong a conclusion. You are in effect saying that every child that turns out wrong is because of parents' failure. No exceptions.
In the final analysis, the child itself accepts or rejects advice and teachings from parents, amongst others.
Just because you responded to your parents good teachings doesn't mean all children do.
Unfortunately.

 

[Mudball]

i am in 2 minds if i should show the video to my 11yr old. I want to discuss the issue, but am split if i should show the video - am tending towards not showing it.

 

[Blue in Munich]

i am in 2 minds if i should show the video to my 11yr old. I want to discuss the issue, but am split if i should show the video - am tending towards not showing it.

What do you think needs addressing in your 11 year old that showing him the video will resolve; or do you think that showing him that will reinforce a message that you are trying to put across?

Just trying to get a handle on how you think he will benefit from it, no agenda.

 

[chellie]

i am in 2 minds if i should show the video to my 11yr old. I want to discuss the issue, but am split if i should show the video - am tending towards not showing it.

Why do you have to show him the video.

 

[hovis]

That is so wrong a conclusion. You are in effect saying that every child that turns out wrong is because of parents' failure. No exceptions.
In the final analysis, the child itself accepts or rejects advice and teachings from parents, amongst others.
Just because you responded to your parents good teachings doesn't mean all children do.
Unfortunately.

Once the child is of age where they can except or ignore advice then they are too far cooked by then. A 4 year old doesn't get to decide weather or not they will accept or refuse your instructions to use manners or not. They do what you say because they are very receptive. And here lies the problem. Trying to teach old dog tricks. It took my wife and I over a year of drumming manners in. We are often told how polite our girl is. Many, like my sister just gave up.
I agree an element of growing up is environment driven but parents make or break a child's development imo

 

[Mudball]

As i was saying.. i m tending towards not showing him... but i do want to talk about it. I dont know if they will discuss it at school this week or if some other kid will or maybe one of the older boys will have it on their mobile. So ignoring it is not always an option.

 

[KenL]

Completely agree.

I recognise that it's not possible to know every fact about your children, but if you are a good parent you have instilled in them a set of values which means they wouldn't get involved in anything like this. Regardless of peer pressure.

Right way to go but not the full picture. Lots of kids end up doing the wrong thing due to peer pressure or gang mentality.

 

[chellie]

As i was saying.. i m tending towards not showing him... but i do want to talk about it. I dont know if they will discuss it at school this week or if some other kid will or maybe one of the older boys will have it on their mobile. So ignoring it is not always an option.

If it was your son would you be happy with A) it being out there on twitter, B) it being posted on internet forums, C) random children seeing your child be punched/kicked ( haven't watched it so only assume this is what happens)

 

[Mudball]

If it was your son would you be happy with A) it being out there on twitter, B) it being posted on internet forums, C) random children seeing your child be punched/kicked ( haven't watched it so only assume this is what happens)

Simple answer... No..

But that is not the point i was making.. it is an event that has happened which will probably be discussed at school. Hence my thinking that i should do it. Showing the video was a secondary question (and the answer is to is tending no).

When the London bridge terrorism event happened, the school did a good job about discussing the events with the older kids. No video was shown (though there was plenty of it in the news). Not saying that they are the same or similar, but you get the gist..

 

[chrisd]

How do you know that these children where taught right from wrong? .

Personal and professional experience is how I know.

Wheather you know or not is irrelevant. /QUOTE]

So you ask how BIM knows that they were taught right from wrong, he gives you a proper reason, and then you declare his knowledge is irrelevant - are you sure?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

i am in 2 minds if i should show the video to my 11yr old. I want to discuss the issue, but am split if i should show the video - am tending towards not showing it.

If he’s got a phone then the chances are he has already seen it.

Bullying is incredibly difficult to stop, there will always be a few kids who get a kick out of abusing other kids who are different, whether that difference is race, sex, hair colour, body shape or wearing specs.

These young people look to be about 13/14
They will have had lessons on bullying and respecting others etc, but still it continues

More education is needed, and jumping on the perps with a metaphorical big stick has to happen

But it is an ongoing problem as every year brings new young people along.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Having been on the recieveing end of bullying during my 5 years at the Tech, what I find just as bad as the 2 scumbags doing the actual violence is those filming, watching and doing nothing.
Having a bunch of your peers laughing and egging the louts on when punches are rainging down onto you is just as demoralising as the pain from the fists.
Please don't say fight back, one on one is one thing, one against many is another.

 

[hovis]

Chris, Why don't you take the time to read the post again and you'll see he highlights in bold the section I was replying to.

 

[chrisd]

Chris, Why don't you take the time to read the post again and you'll see he highlights in bold the section I was replying to.

I have done that and am still of the same opinion

 

[Kellfire]

I went to two very good schools as a kid and by 11 years old I’d seen way worse fights in the playground than the one in the video - I personally would show that video to my children as an example of wrong behaviour and tell them my reasoning.

But ultimately children do not follow the lead of their parents on a great many things no matter how strong the message from above is. Once you’re approaching puberty your peer group is a much bigger influence than your parents imo and all it takes is one bad apple in a group who’s good at influencing their mates and kids can do nasty things. It doesn’t make people inherently bad but we all have character flaws and these can manifest in different, horrible and unpredictable ways in children still finding their way in life.

 

[Rooter]

But ultimately children do not follow the lead of their parents on a great many things no matter how strong the message from above is. Once you’re approaching puberty your peer group is a much bigger influence than your parents imo and all it takes is one bad apple in a group who’s good at influencing their mates and kids can do nasty things.

You are right, at an impressionable age, kids can be drawn in but where does the bad apple get their views from? The media, films, tommy robinson, parents, older peers? its a terrible circle.

 

[Kellfire]

You are right, at an impressionable age, kids can be drawn in but where does the bad apple get their views from? The media, films, tommy robinson, parents, older peers? its a terrible circle.

All of them or none of them, annoyingly.

We will never get rid of bullying completely because it doesn’t come from one tangible source but we should always try to reform and educate bullies.

How many of us on here have displaying bullying behaviour towards another forum member? Go on, be honest... There’s a fine line between banter and abuse and children don’t yet have that filter, just as adults don’t always get it right.

 

[Rooter]

All of them or none of them, annoyingly.

We will never get rid of bullying completely because it doesn’t come from one tangible source but we should always try to reform and educate bullies.

Great points, on top of education or part of, is to make it socially unacceptable. We need to stop the onlookers, the ones filming and egging them on, they are the ones we need to tell the others to stop.