Britain’s longest serving prisoner

[Arthur Wedge]

You wouldn't get people with the balls to apply, you would get people who would use it to satisfy their own urges to take a life is the problem.

The only way that would work would be a committee of 5 buttons , you all press and nobody knows who actually did the final deed.

What a load of nonsense

There are tens of thousands who join the military with the understanding they may have to take a life and it’s nothing to do with any urge to take a life - it’s a job

If and I hope it never happened capital punishment was restored there would be people able to do the job without blood thirsting reasons

 

[Deleted member 21784]

What a load of nonsense

There are tens of thousands who join the military with the understanding they may have to take a life and it’s nothing to do with any urge to take a life - it’s a job

If and I hope it never happened capital punishment was restored there would be people able to do the job without blood thirsting reasons

If you bothered to read the posts before instead of jumping onto the post as always you will notice what I said about the military and how that doesn't compare to killing someone in cold blood.

But hey ho Phil, wouldn't be a threat without you posting on it adding bugger all

 

[IanM]

Yet another post demonstrating why this part of the forum would he better off removed.

There's no golf being arranged, (except H4H) but plenty of folk bring antsy.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

If you bothered to read the posts before instead of jumping onto the post as always you will notice what I said about the military and how that doesn't compare to killing someone in cold blood.

But hey ho Phil, wouldn't be a threat without you posting on it adding bugger all

I have read the posts and it’s still nonsense what you have posted

It is very much a comparison

Both are jobs , jobs that are some stage may need having to take someone’s life in multiple different circumstances

Military have killed people in cold blood - thousand of times

 

[4LEX]

Back to the topic for a moment!

Maudsley has actually been moved from Wakefield and the glass box is going to be the new home of....Hashem Abdedi!

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Back to the topic for a moment!

Maudsley has actually been moved from Wakefield and the glass box is going to be the new home of....Hashem Abdedi!

Not only is he evil but also gutless coward - always a shame that someone hasn’t had justice taken out on him behind bars

 

[4LEX]

Not only is he evil but also gutless coward - always a shame that someone hasn’t had justice taken out on him behind bars

At least he'll be in the box for a long time and won't be able to harm any more officers.

 

[RichA]

Yet another post demonstrating why this part of the forum would he better off removed.

There's no golf being arranged, (except H4H) but plenty of folk bring antsy.

Maybe some helpful signposting with links to The Sun and Mumsnet forums.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Not only is he evil but also gutless coward - always a shame that someone hasn’t had justice taken out on him behind bars

Always a shame when someone advocates for violent acts upon prisoners.
People are locked up, sometimes for life, because we completely abhor violent acts.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Always a shame when someone advocates for violent acts upon prisoners.
People are locked up, sometimes for life, because we completely abhor violent acts.

Will never shed a tear for someone that help kill 22 kids

 

[Voyager EMH]

Will never shed a tear for someone that help kill 22 kids

And those prisoners who inflict violence upon other prisoners?
Would you like a never ending cycle of violence in prisons?

We have a system of humane justice.
It is not improved by violence within prisons.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

And those prisoners who inflict violence upon other prisoners?
Would you like a never ending cycle of violence in prisons?

We have a system of humane justice.
It is not improved by violence within prisons.

Then they are punished

Sometimes karma happens

 

[RichA]

Will never shed a tear for someone that help kill 22 kids

No, but there's quite a wide spectrum of civilisation between shedding a tear for him (which nobody has advocated) and calling for homicide (which a few have).

 

[Voyager EMH]

Then they are punished

Sometimes karma happens

A violent act is not punishment.
It is an illegal violent act that requires punishment.
The punishment in this country is loss of liberty.

There is no karma.
There is law and justice.
This is a civilised society.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

No, but there's quite a wide spectrum of civilisation between shedding a tear for him (which nobody has advocated) and calling for homicide (which a few have).

There is prob be of reading too much into it

It disgusts me that some still walk the earth because of the crimes they have committed and imo it is a shame they are breathing

 

[Arthur Wedge]

A violent act is not punishment.
It is an illegal violent act that requires punishment.
The punishment in this country is loss of liberty.

There is no karma.
There is law and justice.
This is a civilised society.

You have missed the point

if someone commits an act of violence in prison then they are punished for that act

If that act results in someone who has committed attrocities and mass attacks no longer breathing then oh no what a shame

And yes firmly believe in karma

 

[Voyager EMH]

There is prob be of reading too much into it

It disgusts me that some still walk the earth because of the crimes they have committed and imo it is a shame they are breathing

I think it disgusts me just as much.

But I would disgust myself, if I wished for another person to commit more violence to fulfil my fantasy of karma.

 

[Voyager EMH]

You have missed the point

if someone commits an act of violence in prison then they are punished for that act

If that act results in someone who has committed attrocities and mass attacks no longer breathing then oh no what a shame

And yes firmly believe in karma

I have not missed any point you have made.

This is something I have thought about and discussed at very great length for a great many years.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I think it disgusts me just as much.

But I would disgust myself, if I wished for another person to commit more violence to fulfil my fantasy of karma.

Nothing about “fantasy of karma”

Lets not twist things

 

[Tashyboy]

Yes really Billy. If you willingly have no issue taking a life when your life isn't in danger. The persons strapped down and you press the button, pull the trigger, inject the needle then if it doesn't bother you in the slightest then yes there is something mentally unstable about you.

Its why many ex forces who kill even in the depths of war suffer from struggles of conscious

Luckily we live in a civilised country.

My problem is that some prisoners are not for rehabilitation. The whole system is set up for rehabilitation but some prisoners are just not interested. Last year there was over 10,000 attacks on prison officers. That tells me that the present system is fundamentally flawed. And it is not just prison officers that are attacked. Everyone in the emergency services is at risk.
In the instance of Ali Harbi, we again have a system that has massively failed. He had already attacked prison officers, Was allowed access to instruments that have now scarred prison officers for life, both mentally and physically. And what about there families.
We talk about the rights of prisoners far to much and yet the rights of the victims and there families always seems Secondary. The justice system has for far to long needed a massive shake up. And by that I don’t mean the recent one where people of faith, sex, pregnancy etc has a bearing on there sentence, which thankfully looks like being booted out.. Once more the offenders criminal situation takes precedence over a victim.

Furthermore, this is another thread in which the death sentence will be discussed which leads to the blocking of this thread as some folk will just go on and on. Sometimes you have to agree to disagree.