Doon frae Troon
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You should have used the historical Toom Tabard [empty jaiket] that would really have caused a stoosie in the steamy.
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You should have used the historical Toom Tabard [empty jaiket] that would really have caused a stoosie in the steamy.
We have a small number of boats in the town where I work. There is also a shellfish factory 50 metres or so from us that is supplied by fisherman from all over but Scottish boats in particular based on the lorries I see each day. They closed during most of lockdown because the vast majority of what they process goes out to Spain and France. Once the restaurants opened up over there they started over here again.
Being firm on fishing rights has no worth if most of the catch can not be sold on because the EU give retaliatory tariffs. The govt, the EU etc need to follow the whole chain of supply with this as, as with many products, it is all linked.
I think we have a fisherman on the forum. If our fishing friend can advise, apologies I can not remember who it is, I would be really interested to hear his view on this.
Paperboy
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Rlburnside and Pieman knows a bit at fishing as well.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Indeed - it that supporters of the government and Johnson don't have any issues with Johnson being thought of as somewhat 'Churchillian'....there are 'Balliolian' alternativesYou should have used the historical Toom Tabard [empty jaiket] that would really have caused a stoosie in the steamy.
BTW - you've started 'dropping your H's? As in 'what a stramas...'
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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'Scotland accounts for most of the fish caught in the United Kingdom, which is the second-biggest provider of fish from the EU after Spain....Britain exports 75 percent of the fish it catches, and 75 percent of that goes to the EU'
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...s-without-brexit-deal-fishermen-idUSKCN1PP2AF
Rather suggests that for UK fishing, Johnson and Frost better negotiate a decent free trade deal .
drdel
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If European consumers want UK caught fish then they can buy them at the market rate. The UK may not put a tariff in place.
The world of business will not stop.
If the EU puts a high enough tariff on them then the European consumer may no longer want them or may want them but choose a cheaper, caught closer to home option.
I totally agree with your last comment but price matters.
drdel
Tour Rookie
Yup, but according to the EU there are not enough fish in their waters and that's why they want to keep access.
Foxholer
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Perhaps that should be 'no longer enough fish in their waters'!
And fishing rights are certainly one of the areas where UK holds the better cards! It needs to use that advantage wisely!
Maybe you're playing with numbers, or maybe you don't know what you're talking about. For instance, the French quota of cod in UK waters equates to 86% of all cod. That isn't because they are better fishermen, its because that's THEIR quota. The UK's quota is 9% of all cod AND 75% of 9% is sod all. The UK fishermen would love access to a greater quota, like all of it, and as a result of that imbalance many UK fleets have actually sold their boats to foreign fishing fleets.
There were rumours coming out of Brussels a few weeks back that elements of a deal were close but then the French, Macron, kicked it into touch because he wasn't happy at the loss of fishing grounds that the French enjoy.
drdel
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I said exactly what I wanted in the way I wanted. I do not need your correction. Leave out the arrogance.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I simply quoted the Reuters article, and on the basis of that hope for a good trade deal with no or minimal tariffs on fish and seafood.
Doon frae Troon
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Toom Tabard has been used quite a lot recently in the Scottish press and media to describe a UK political leader, I shall let you guess who.
Foxholer
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It wasn't a correction! No 'arrogance' involved (on my part at least)!
Think a bit deeper! Specifically about how that ('no longer') might have occurred!
PNWokingham
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and where do you think a large amount of german cars go and the rest of the multitude varying products from all over the EU that make up their 70bn ssuplus - on your logic and the same logic to everyone, rather suggests that Barnier negotiate a good free tarde deal as welll!!
UK fishing is an area that we will cede some grounds on but that has to be done while keeping control - and they need to do the same on equivalence issues for services - as both issues can resulyt in win-win outcomes
PNWokingham
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You are utterly blinkered if you think Johnson wants a no deal. Eevyone wants a deal but the deal has to be acceptable not one a being subservient to EU rules and laws
And, i think you will find that Johnson talks in the context of UK fishing rights - being as we are still a United Kingdon to the dismay of some!
Are yes, your usual hiding behind "someone else said."
We lost Hugh. Remain didn't win. We don't want to go but we have to. Instead of every, every, every single time taking a pop at the UK stance, as unpalatable as it might be, we need to support the UK getting the best deal they can, even if its along political lines we're not comfortable with. We don't have to like it, and we most certainly won't change it one jot. But if we continue to take extreme lines against a political majority, led by an even more extreme Head, we only create strife at a local level.
I've read the PD, and what the EU is asking for. They're not exactly being genuine in their interpretation, nor are they respecting a sovereign state. If the EU get the deal they want, leaving is 100% pointless. Its actually more than that, its makes the UK more subservient than Norway. If the EU are griping about it, it means its a good deal for the UK. Don't you want a good deal for the UK?
Do yourself a favour, have a read up on the battles between the EU and Switzerland. If you're not against that level of interference I would genuinely feel you don't have any interest in the UK getting a good deal.
Foxholer
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Got a link to a list of those quotas?
Hacker Khan
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Was just speaking to a colleague in Germany and fully appreciate that he in no way speaks for the whole of Germany or indeed Europe. But he said the mood is changing in the press over there to telling us to go and do one and leave without a deal if we start coming back with what they see as unreasonable demands (of course what is reasonable to one person will not be to another but there you go). He said they have much bigger issues to worry about now with getting economies back on their feet, and the mood is changing to 'calling our bluff'. And if we threaten to leave with no deal then they will let us do that a lot easily then they would have before the Covid stuff all kicked off. As they do not want to spend any more time on Brexit than the really have to.
Also interestingly he said Germany also has the same issues as us with regards to increasing numbers of people mostly ignoring the Covid restrictions and guidance now.
Also interestingly he said Germany also has the same issues as us with regards to increasing numbers of people mostly ignoring the Covid restrictions and guidance now.
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We have been dealing with our distributors across Europe throughout all of this, even those in the worst hit countries. They have all said the same thing, no exceptions. They had the same complaints at the beginning as well. We are not that different, the press and social media just like to think we are the worst, most badly behaved etc.
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